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		<title>By: Weaning off wellbutrin.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weaning off wellbutrin.</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Using wellbutrin after heart attack....&lt;/strong&gt;

Wellbutrin dosage. Wellbutrin migraine....</description>
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<p>Wellbutrin dosage. Wellbutrin migraine&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tel-Chai Nation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tel-Chai Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 11:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;House members want investigation of Border Patrol/&lt;/strong&gt;

In related news, Michelle Malkin went to the National Cryptologic Museum in Maryland for a special report on the history of the NSA that gives a positive perspective about it, much better than what the horrible MSM is giving.</description>
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<p>In related news, Michelle Malkin went to the National Cryptologic Museum in Maryland for a special report on the history of the NSA that gives a positive perspective about it, much better than what the horrible MSM is giving.</p>
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		<title>By: Stop Bush!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stop Bush!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 01:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an old list, and for the most part, it is rehashing information that was previously known, and previously discredited as far as the NSA spying on average Americans.  Most of the points that Bush (and you) profer were substantiated by Khalid Sheik Mohammed.  After he was captured.  And it wasn't over the telephone.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I donâ€™t know if each of these were thwarted by the NSAâ€™s TSP but I know a couple were because they were cited by President Bush.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, you suggest that if the liar-in-chief says it, we should just believe it?  Hardly.  This administration is truth- and honesty-challenged, and its hard to tell if what they're claiming is innuendo, exaggerated, or a total fabrication.

I think the most telling argument that the illegal data collection conducted by the NSA  is without merit is that if it were truely working, we wouldn't have found out from &lt;em&gt;USA Today&lt;/em&gt;... we would have heard all about it from Bush during the election.  Instead, we get another lie: "... any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so." (April 20, 2004)

Meanwhile, according to the New York Times: &lt;blockquote&gt;...more than a dozen current and former law enforcement and counterterrorism officials, some of whom knew of the domestic spying program, said the torrent of tips [from NSA wiretapping] led them to few potential terrorists inside the country &lt;b&gt;they did not know of from other sources&lt;/b&gt; and diverted agents from counterterrorism work they viewed as more productive.

--January 17, 2006&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I believe the total number of American citizens whose activities caused enough suspicion to &lt;em&gt;warrant&lt;/em&gt; eavesdropping amounts to fewer than 10 people -- between 9/11 and today.  And that is the crux of this issue, and it comes down to the most basic of our rights granted under the Constitution: the right to be secure in our persons and papers, the right to face our accusers in open court, and without big brother watching over our shoulders.

I've seen Benjamin Franklin's quote "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both" on this site, and it strikes me as odd that you're willing to allow the give the government so much latitude.  Yet, I suspect, if we started talking about a gun registry, you'd scream all the way to the next NRA convention.

The bottom line is that the Founding Fathers set up a system of checks and balances that, for the most part, has worked for more than 225 years.  There is no need to break the law and violate our rights.  The Congress has provided for warrantless surveilance, and that law (FISA) simply states that the government must show probable cause if they want to surreptitiously listen to a private conversation.  If the government can't show probable cause, they have no business conducting the surveilance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an old list, and for the most part, it is rehashing information that was previously known, and previously discredited as far as the NSA spying on average Americans.  Most of the points that Bush (and you) profer were substantiated by Khalid Sheik Mohammed.  After he was captured.  And it wasn&#8217;t over the telephone.</p>
<blockquote><p>I donâ€™t know if each of these were thwarted by the NSAâ€™s TSP but I know a couple were because they were cited by President Bush.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, you suggest that if the liar-in-chief says it, we should just believe it?  Hardly.  This administration is truth- and honesty-challenged, and its hard to tell if what they&#8217;re claiming is innuendo, exaggerated, or a total fabrication.</p>
<p>I think the most telling argument that the illegal data collection conducted by the NSA  is without merit is that if it were truely working, we wouldn&#8217;t have found out from <em>USA Today</em>&#8230; we would have heard all about it from Bush during the election.  Instead, we get another lie: &#8220;&#8230; any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires &#8212; a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we&#8217;re talking about chasing down terrorists, we&#8217;re talking about getting a court order before we do so.&#8221; (April 20, 2004)</p>
<p>Meanwhile, according to the New York Times:<br />
<blockquote>&#8230;more than a dozen current and former law enforcement and counterterrorism officials, some of whom knew of the domestic spying program, said the torrent of tips [from NSA wiretapping] led them to few potential terrorists inside the country <b>they did not know of from other sources</b> and diverted agents from counterterrorism work they viewed as more productive.</p>
<p>&#8211;January 17, 2006</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe the total number of American citizens whose activities caused enough suspicion to <em>warrant</em> eavesdropping amounts to fewer than 10 people &#8212; between 9/11 and today.  And that is the crux of this issue, and it comes down to the most basic of our rights granted under the Constitution: the right to be secure in our persons and papers, the right to face our accusers in open court, and without big brother watching over our shoulders.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen Benjamin Franklin&#8217;s quote &#8220;Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both&#8221; on this site, and it strikes me as odd that you&#8217;re willing to allow the give the government so much latitude.  Yet, I suspect, if we started talking about a gun registry, you&#8217;d scream all the way to the next NRA convention.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that the Founding Fathers set up a system of checks and balances that, for the most part, has worked for more than 225 years.  There is no need to break the law and violate our rights.  The Congress has provided for warrantless surveilance, and that law (FISA) simply states that the government must show probable cause if they want to surreptitiously listen to a private conversation.  If the government can&#8217;t show probable cause, they have no business conducting the surveilance.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Gross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 22:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SB, Here's something that Hugh Hewitt had &lt;a&gt;posted&lt;/a&gt; on terrorist plots thwarted:

07 October 2005
White House Issues List of 10 Foiled al-Qaida Plots Foiled plots targeted U.S. government, tourists
In a major address outlining his strategy on the war against terrorism delivered to the National Endowment for Democracy October 6, President Bush said that 10 major al-Qaida plots were disrupted since September 11, 2001 -- two involving a plan to use commercial airliners to attack targets on the East and West Coasts of the United States. (See transcript.)
The president said the United States and its partners had also foiled at least five additional al-Qaida efforts to case potential U.S. government sites and locations frequented by tourists.
For more on U.S. policy, see Response to Terrorism.
The following October 6 White House fact sheet offers background to the president's references:
(begin fact sheet)
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
October 6, 2005
Plots, Casings, And Infiltrations Referenced In President Bush's Remarks On The War On Terror
"Overall, the United States and our partners have disrupted at least 10 serious al-Qaida terrorist plots since September 11 -- including three al-Qaida plots to attack inside the United States.  We have stopped at least five more al-Qaida efforts to case targets in the United States or infiltrate operatives into our country."
10 PLOTS
1. The West Coast Airliner Plot: In mid-2002 the U.S. disrupted a plot to attack targets on the West Coast of the United States using hijacked airplanes.  The plotters included at least one major operational planner involved in planning the events of 9/11.
2. The East Coast Airliner Plot: In mid-2003 the U.S. and a partner disrupted a plot to attack targets on the East Coast of the United States using hijacked commercial airplanes.
3. The Jose Padilla Plot: In May 2002 the U.S. disrupted a plot that involved blowing up apartment buildings in the United States.  One of the plotters, Jose Padilla, also discussed the possibility of using a "dirty bomb" in the U.S.
4. The 2004 U.K. Urban Targets Plot: In mid-2004 the U.S. and partners disrupted a plot that involved urban targets in the United Kingdom.  These plots involved using explosives against a variety of sites.
5. The 2003 Karachi Plot: In the Spring of 2003 the U.S. and a partner disrupted a plot to attack Westerners at several targets in Karachi, Pakistan.
6. The Heathrow Airport Plot: In 2003 the U.S. and several partners disrupted a plot to attack Heathrow Airport [outside London] using hijacked commercial airliners.  The planning for this attack was undertaken by a major 9/11 operational figure.
7. The 2004 U.K. Plot: In the Spring of 2004 the U.S. and partners, using a combination of law enforcement and intelligence resources, disrupted a plot to conduct large-scale bombings in the U.K.
8. The 2002 Arabian Gulf Shipping Plot: In late 2002 and 2003 the U.S. and a partner nation disrupted a plot by al-Qa'ida operatives to attack ships in the Arabian Gulf.
9. The 2002 Straits of Hormuz Plot: In 2002 the U.S. and partners disrupted a plot to attack ships transiting the Straits of Hormuz.
10. The 2003 Tourist Site Plot: In 2003 the U.S. and a partner nation disrupted a plot to attack a tourist site outside the United States.
FIVE CASINGS AND INFILTRATIONS
1. The U.S. Government &#38; Tourist Sites Tasking: In 2003 and 2004, an individual was tasked by al-Qa'ida to case important U.S. government and tourist targets within the United States.
2. The Gas Station Tasking: In approximately 2003, an individual was tasked to collect targeting information on U.S. gas stations and their support mechanisms on behalf of a senior al-Qa'ida planner.
3. Iyman Faris &#38; the Brooklyn Bridge: In 2003, and in conjunction with a partner nation, the U.S. government arrested and prosecuted Iyman Faris, who was exploring the destruction of the Brooklyn Bridge in New York.  Faris ultimately pleaded guilty to providing material support to al-Qa'ida and is now in a federal correctional institution.
4. 2001 Tasking: In 2001, al-Qa'ida sent an individual to facilitate post-September 11 attacks in the U.S.  U.S. law enforcement authorities arrested the individual.
5. 2003 Tasking: In 2003, an individual was tasked by an al-Qa'ida leader to conduct reconnaissance on populated areas in the U.S.

I don't know if each of these were thwarted by the NSA's TSP but I know a couple were because they were cited by President Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SB, Here&#8217;s something that Hugh Hewitt had <a>posted</a> on terrorist plots thwarted:</p>
<p>07 October 2005<br />
White House Issues List of 10 Foiled al-Qaida Plots Foiled plots targeted U.S. government, tourists<br />
In a major address outlining his strategy on the war against terrorism delivered to the National Endowment for Democracy October 6, President Bush said that 10 major al-Qaida plots were disrupted since September 11, 2001 &#8212; two involving a plan to use commercial airliners to attack targets on the East and West Coasts of the United States. (See transcript.)<br />
The president said the United States and its partners had also foiled at least five additional al-Qaida efforts to case potential U.S. government sites and locations frequented by tourists.<br />
For more on U.S. policy, see Response to Terrorism.<br />
The following October 6 White House fact sheet offers background to the president&#8217;s references:<br />
(begin fact sheet)<br />
THE WHITE HOUSE<br />
Office of the Press Secretary<br />
October 6, 2005<br />
Plots, Casings, And Infiltrations Referenced In President Bush&#8217;s Remarks On The War On Terror<br />
&#8220;Overall, the United States and our partners have disrupted at least 10 serious al-Qaida terrorist plots since September 11 &#8212; including three al-Qaida plots to attack inside the United States.  We have stopped at least five more al-Qaida efforts to case targets in the United States or infiltrate operatives into our country.&#8221;<br />
10 PLOTS<br />
1. The West Coast Airliner Plot: In mid-2002 the U.S. disrupted a plot to attack targets on the West Coast of the United States using hijacked airplanes.  The plotters included at least one major operational planner involved in planning the events of 9/11.<br />
2. The East Coast Airliner Plot: In mid-2003 the U.S. and a partner disrupted a plot to attack targets on the East Coast of the United States using hijacked commercial airplanes.<br />
3. The Jose Padilla Plot: In May 2002 the U.S. disrupted a plot that involved blowing up apartment buildings in the United States.  One of the plotters, Jose Padilla, also discussed the possibility of using a &#8220;dirty bomb&#8221; in the U.S.<br />
4. The 2004 U.K. Urban Targets Plot: In mid-2004 the U.S. and partners disrupted a plot that involved urban targets in the United Kingdom.  These plots involved using explosives against a variety of sites.<br />
5. The 2003 Karachi Plot: In the Spring of 2003 the U.S. and a partner disrupted a plot to attack Westerners at several targets in Karachi, Pakistan.<br />
6. The Heathrow Airport Plot: In 2003 the U.S. and several partners disrupted a plot to attack Heathrow Airport [outside London] using hijacked commercial airliners.  The planning for this attack was undertaken by a major 9/11 operational figure.<br />
7. The 2004 U.K. Plot: In the Spring of 2004 the U.S. and partners, using a combination of law enforcement and intelligence resources, disrupted a plot to conduct large-scale bombings in the U.K.<br />
8. The 2002 Arabian Gulf Shipping Plot: In late 2002 and 2003 the U.S. and a partner nation disrupted a plot by al-Qa&#8217;ida operatives to attack ships in the Arabian Gulf.<br />
9. The 2002 Straits of Hormuz Plot: In 2002 the U.S. and partners disrupted a plot to attack ships transiting the Straits of Hormuz.<br />
10. The 2003 Tourist Site Plot: In 2003 the U.S. and a partner nation disrupted a plot to attack a tourist site outside the United States.<br />
FIVE CASINGS AND INFILTRATIONS<br />
1. The U.S. Government &amp; Tourist Sites Tasking: In 2003 and 2004, an individual was tasked by al-Qa&#8217;ida to case important U.S. government and tourist targets within the United States.<br />
2. The Gas Station Tasking: In approximately 2003, an individual was tasked to collect targeting information on U.S. gas stations and their support mechanisms on behalf of a senior al-Qa&#8217;ida planner.<br />
3. Iyman Faris &amp; the Brooklyn Bridge: In 2003, and in conjunction with a partner nation, the U.S. government arrested and prosecuted Iyman Faris, who was exploring the destruction of the Brooklyn Bridge in New York.  Faris ultimately pleaded guilty to providing material support to al-Qa&#8217;ida and is now in a federal correctional institution.<br />
4. 2001 Tasking: In 2001, al-Qa&#8217;ida sent an individual to facilitate post-September 11 attacks in the U.S.  U.S. law enforcement authorities arrested the individual.<br />
5. 2003 Tasking: In 2003, an individual was tasked by an al-Qa&#8217;ida leader to conduct reconnaissance on populated areas in the U.S.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if each of these were thwarted by the NSA&#8217;s TSP but I know a couple were because they were cited by President Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 21:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;NSA secret database report triggers fierce debate in Washington&lt;/strong&gt;

A massive government database containing the phone records of tens of millions of Americans  reporte</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Gross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Gross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 21:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dots that we don't hear details about. That we don't hear about them doesn't mean they aren't happening. I saw a report on TV this morning that the NSA TSP has stopped roughly 300 attacks since 9/11. Obviously, I can't verify that but I wouldn't be surprised by it, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dots that we don&#8217;t hear details about. That we don&#8217;t hear about them doesn&#8217;t mean they aren&#8217;t happening. I saw a report on TV this morning that the NSA TSP has stopped roughly 300 attacks since 9/11. Obviously, I can&#8217;t verify that but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised by it, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Stop Bush!</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 19:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Now heâ€™s outraged that weâ€™re connecting the dots.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And exactly which dots is it that we're connecting?  Please enlighten us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Now heâ€™s outraged that weâ€™re connecting the dots.</p></blockquote>
<p>And exactly which dots is it that we&#8217;re connecting?  Please enlighten us.</p>
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		<title>By: Let Freedom Ring &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ending NSA&#8217;s TSP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Let Freedom Ring &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ending NSA&#8217;s TSP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 18:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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