Murtha’s Self-Serving Drivel

I’ve visited quite a few senators’ & congressmen’s websites before but I’d never seen one like John Murtha’s until today. Check out this content:

On the War in Iraq:
“Nearly three-fourths of U.S. troops now serving in Iraq favor a military pullout from that country within a year, according to a survey of service members at four U.S. bases there.

“The survey of 944 U.S. troops in Iraq, conducted in late January and early February by pollster John Zogby, also found more than 40 percent of troops said they are unclear on the goals of the U.S. mission in Iraq.
“Among the findings:

“Only 23 percent of troops said U.S. military forces should stay in Iraq “as long as they are needed,” and 29 percent supported an immediate pullout. “Forty-four percent said it was definitely or mostly true that the Pentagon had provided them adequate equipment, while 30 percent called that statement mostly or definitely false.

— From the Marine Corps Times, Mar. 13, 2006

If Zogby’s the pollster, then the poll is worthless. He had a great reputation in the mid 90’s but his reputation is essentially gone in the eyes of meticulous pollsters. His use of online polling is especially suspect practice.

Considering Murtha’s use of these ’statistics’ for political cover, it’s safe to say that the statistics are part of a pollitorial, not the results of highly ethical, highly professional polling.

“…There’s a growing sense of self-determination (in Iraq), which is a critical trait on the road to democracy…This is not retreat. This is not cut-and-run. This is recognition of the reality in Iraq, one that has evolved into an Iraqi problem that only the Iraqis now can solve…On CBS’s ’60 Minutes’ Sunday night, Jack Murtha predicted the ‘vast majority’ of U.S. troops will be out of Iraq by year’s end if not sooner. We hope he’s right. The time has come.”

– From an editorial in the Tribune-Review, Pittsburgh, Pa., Jan. 17, 2006

The owner of the Pittsburgh Trib-Review is a longtime friend of John Murtha’s, reducing the credibility of this editorial to practically nil. Besides, what objective criteria does this writer use to arrive at the statements that “this is not retreat” or “this is not cut-and-run”? Talk about self-serving. These statements are useless.

“President Bush owes the American people more than repetitious slogans such as ‘Stay the Course’ and ‘9-11’ and ‘We’re Fighting Terrorism.’”

‘Iraq is not the center of terrorism; it’s the center of an insurgency, and there’s a big difference,’ Murtha said at a Philadelphia news conference. ‘It’s not going to get better with us over there. They’ll let us fight forever. I say it’s up to them.’ That has nothing to do with American patriotism. It is more about common sense.”

– From an editorial in The Tribune-Democrat, Johnstown, Pa., Dec. 22, 2005

I’d ask Mr. Murtha what makes him think that this isn’t “the center of terrorism”? Does he think that Zarqawi wasn’t trying to establish terrorist training grounds before TF145 & the Iraqi military called in the airstrikes that killed him?

As for his “They’ll let us fight forever” statement, how does that square with his statement that “80 percent of Iraqis want us out of Iraq”? Either they want us out or they’ll let us stay. That’s such a twisted statement that that can’t even make sense to a moonbat Democrat. I’d agree, though, that that statement “has nothing to do with American patriotism” & that it’s “more about common sense” or the lack thereof.

“…Murtha’s call for an end to this military foray and its related carnage, which he sees up close as a regular visitor to the wounded at Walter Reed U.S. Army Hospital, is a welcome departure from the cookie-cutter politicians of either party who are afraid to speak up lest doing so upset their coveted poll numbers, perhaps derailing a re-election bid or aspirations for higher office. Whether you agree with him or not, his voice should be heard and given fair-minded consideration, not greeted with the type of partisan bash-down that so often characterizes Washington dialogue…

–From an editorial in the Herald-Standard, Uniontown, Pa., Nov. 27, 2005

WRONG!!! Murtha’s “call for an end to this military foray” is cheap partisan politics & deserves the strongest smackdown imaginable. Notice that he didn’t have a response to Sgt. Mark Seavey when Sgt. Seavey confronted Murtha & Moran:

“Yes sir my name is Mark Seavey and I just want to thank you for coming up here. Until about a month ago I was Sgt Mark Seavey infantry squad leader, I returned from Afghanistan. My question to you…(applause).

“Like yourself I dropped out of college two years ago to volunteer to go to Afghanistan, and I went and I came back. If I didn’t have a herniated disk now I would volunteer to go to Iraq in a second with my troops, three of which have already volunteered to go to Iraq.

I keep hearing you say how you talk to the troops and the troops are demoralized, and I really resent that characterization. (applause) The morale of the troops that I talk to is phenomenal, which is why my troops are volunteering to go back, despite the hardships they had to endure in Afghanistan.

“And Congressman Moran, 200 of your constituents just returned from Afghanistan. We never got a letter from you; we never got a visit from you. You didn’t come to our homecoming. The only thing we got from any of our elected officials was one letter from the governor of this state thanking us for our service in Iraq, when we were in Afghanistan. That’s reprehensible. I don’t know who you two are talking to but the morale of the troops is very high.”

Murtha’s been exposed as a liar, in large part due to Sgt. Seavey’s comments. If this is Murtha’s way of supporting the troops, I suspect that most troops would rather go without his support.

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3 Responses to “Murtha’s Self-Serving Drivel”

  1. rahjr2k Says:

    I wish someone would go through his service record, find some incident and call him a murderer and a terrorist. He’s go no proof of any of those things he’s called our boys… not to see him arrested and tried, but to see how it feels. He’s forgotten what it means to be a soldier.

  2. Squiggler Says:

    Here is how the poll is covered in “Stars and Stripes,” a Department of Defense Authorized Newspaper.

    Poll of troops in Iraq sees 72% support for withdrawal within a year

    By Leo Shane III, Stars and Stripes
    Mideast edition, Wednesday, March 1, 2006

    WASHINGTON — Seventy-two percent of troops on the ground in Iraq think U.S. military forces should get out of the country within a year, according to a Zogby poll released Tuesday.

    The survey of 944 troops, conducted in Iraq between Jan. 18 and Feb. 14, said that only 23 percent of servicemembers thought U.S. forces should stay “as long as they are needed.”

    Of the 72 percent, 22 percent said troops should leave within the next six months, and 29 percent said they should withdraw “immediately.” Twenty-one percent said the U.S. military presence should end within a year; 5 percent weren’t sure.

    But policy experts differ on exactly what those numbers mean.

    Justin Logan, a foreign policy analyst for the Cato Institute, called the figure alarming, and a sign that the Bush administration and troops in Iraq see the goals and the progress of the war very differently.

    The president has opposed any plans for a withdrawal date, saying troops will remain until Iraq’s security is assured. Logan sees so many troops wanting a clear time line as showing “an alarming disconnect” between the policy and its implementation.

    But Loren Thompson, a military analyst with the Lexington Institute, said troops who say the U.S. should withdraw could be concerned for their own safety, or they could be optimistic about progress so far, or they could simply be opposed to the idea of operations in Iraq.

    “You have to pick apart each servicemember’s thought process to understand what that means,” he said. “I think this is about personal circumstances, and not proof there is a higher rate of troops who desire departure.”

    Defense Department officials declined to comment on the poll, saying they did not have details on how the survey was conducted.

    John Zogby, CEO of the polling company, said the poll was funded through Le Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies, which received money for the project from an anonymous, anti-war activist, but neither the activist nor the school had input on the content of the poll.

    Zogby said the survey was conducted face-to-face throughout Iraq, with permission from commanders. Despite the difficulty of polling in a war zone, he said, pollsters were pleased with the results.

    “This is a credible and representative look at what the troops are saying,” he said. “Clearly there are those [in the U.S.] who will speak for the troops, so there is a real value in seeing what they are actually saying.”

    The poll also shows that 42 percent of the troops surveyed are unsure of their mission in Iraq, and that 85 percent believe a major reason they were sent into war was “to retaliate for Saddam’s role in the Sept. 11 attacks.” Ninety-three percent said finding and destroying weapons of mass destruction is not a reason for the ongoing military action.

    “We were surprised by that, especially the 85 percent [figure],” Zogby said. “Clearly that is much higher than the consensus among the American public, and the public’s perception [on that topic] is much higher than the actual reality of the situation.”

    In terms of current operations, 80 percent of those polled said they did not hold a negative view of all Iraqis because of the ongoing attacks against coalition military forces.

    More than 43 percent of those polled said their equipment, such as Humvees, body armor and munitions, is adequate for the jobs facing them, while 30 percent said it is not.

    Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C. and chairman of the Victory in Iraq Caucus, a group of 118 Republican lawmakers, said the poll does not diminish his opinion of the importance of the armed forces role in Iraq.

    “Whatever the percentages are, I know 100 percent of our troops want to complete their mission over there,” he said. “My view is, whatever the poll results say, the bottom line is these are troops who will continue their mission, because they would rather fight the enemy overseas than at home.”

    Of those surveyed, 75 percent have served multiple tours in Iraq, 63 percent were under 30 years old, and 75 percent were male.

  3. Squiggler Says:

    Oops sorry

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