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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/john-murthas-pattern-of-wrongness/comment-page-1/#comment-177985</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moonbat logic:  Fact: Lemons are sour.  Fact: oranges are orange.  Therefore, Bush lied.

Never let the facts interfere with your thought processes, SB!.

It is amazing the total disconnect between facts and reality these people have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moonbat logic:  Fact: Lemons are sour.  Fact: oranges are orange.  Therefore, Bush lied.</p>
<p>Never let the facts interfere with your thought processes, SB!.</p>
<p>It is amazing the total disconnect between facts and reality these people have.</p>
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		<title>By: GINA COBB</title>
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		<dc:creator>GINA COBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Murtha Wrong -- Again&lt;/strong&gt;

California Conservative notes that Congressman John Murtha is continuing a long pattern of getting it wrong when it comes to the U.S. military and the war on terror. It is scary to think that anyone still takes Murtha seriously at</description>
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<p>California Conservative notes that Congressman John Murtha is continuing a long pattern of getting it wrong when it comes to the U.S. military and the war on terror. It is scary to think that anyone still takes Murtha seriously at</p>
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		<title>By: Amy P</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/john-murthas-pattern-of-wrongness/comment-page-1/#comment-177325</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, he has NOT been briefed by Marines.  The investigation is still ongoing.  The DOD briefs Congress but they cannot give any conclusions.  The Marines whom you say "KNOW" actually "DON'T".  

&lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197851,00.html"&gt;Read these&lt;/a&gt;:

"Capt. James Kimber said he first learned about the shootings in February when he heard that a Time magazine reporter was asking questions about civilian deaths.

Kimber said he heard nothing about a civilian massacre during city council meetings and talks with local leaders.

"It would have been huge, there would have been no question it would have filtered down to us," he said. "We reported no significant atmospheric change as a result of that day." [&lt;a target="_blank" href="http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&#38;storyID=2006-06-09T130154Z_01_N08400134_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-HADITHA-FATHER.xml"&gt;Reuters&lt;/a&gt;]

"I would think that if it was as bad as everybody is making it out to be, I'd have heard something about it when I was there," said the Rev. Ben Mathes, 53, whose son, 1st Lt. Adam Mathes, is Kilo company's executive officer. 

He said he also did not feel animosity from Iraqis he encountered while on patrol with Kilo company in Haditha.
"You would think that if something horrible had happened they would just disappear or just have nothing to do with these folks," Mathes said. "They came out on the streets and brought us bread and tea and invited us into their homes. The businessmen would have them come into their shops." 


Back to Amy... mark my words, skeptic, Haditha is NOT what it's been trumped up to be.  I can almost garauntee it.

My husband spent a year there (82nd ABN) and one of the Iraqi eyewitnesses (I believe it is the coronor, I'll have to check my sources) lied outrightly about the Marines taking over a hospital and abusing him.  I'll post an article soon about this...

You're right, the truth DOESN'T fit Time or Murtha's story.  Shame on them.

Moving on....

Exactly what lies has the administration told to Murtha?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, he has NOT been briefed by Marines.  The investigation is still ongoing.  The DOD briefs Congress but they cannot give any conclusions.  The Marines whom you say &#8220;KNOW&#8221; actually &#8220;DON&#8217;T&#8221;.  </p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197851,00.html">Read these</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;Capt. James Kimber said he first learned about the shootings in February when he heard that a Time magazine reporter was asking questions about civilian deaths.</p>
<p>Kimber said he heard nothing about a civilian massacre during city council meetings and talks with local leaders.</p>
<p>&#8220;It would have been huge, there would have been no question it would have filtered down to us,&#8221; he said. &#8220;We reported no significant atmospheric change as a result of that day.&#8221; [<a target="_blank" href="http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&amp;storyID=2006-06-09T130154Z_01_N08400134_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-HADITHA-FATHER.xml">Reuters</a>]</p>
<p>&#8220;I would think that if it was as bad as everybody is making it out to be, I&#8217;d have heard something about it when I was there,&#8221; said the Rev. Ben Mathes, 53, whose son, 1st Lt. Adam Mathes, is Kilo company&#8217;s executive officer. </p>
<p>He said he also did not feel animosity from Iraqis he encountered while on patrol with Kilo company in Haditha.<br />
&#8220;You would think that if something horrible had happened they would just disappear or just have nothing to do with these folks,&#8221; Mathes said. &#8220;They came out on the streets and brought us bread and tea and invited us into their homes. The businessmen would have them come into their shops.&#8221; </p>
<p>Back to Amy&#8230; mark my words, skeptic, Haditha is NOT what it&#8217;s been trumped up to be.  I can almost garauntee it.</p>
<p>My husband spent a year there (82nd ABN) and one of the Iraqi eyewitnesses (I believe it is the coronor, I&#8217;ll have to check my sources) lied outrightly about the Marines taking over a hospital and abusing him.  I&#8217;ll post an article soon about this&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, the truth DOESN&#8217;T fit Time or Murtha&#8217;s story.  Shame on them.</p>
<p>Moving on&#8230;.</p>
<p>Exactly what lies has the administration told to Murtha?</p>
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		<title>By: Stop Bush!</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/john-murthas-pattern-of-wrongness/comment-page-1/#comment-177310</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop Bush!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because he's been BRIEFED by the MARINES who KNOW?  Becuase he's been LIED TO by the ADMINISTRATION over and over?  Becuase the TRUTH doesn't fit with the STORY?  

Take your pick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because he&#8217;s been BRIEFED by the MARINES who KNOW?  Becuase he&#8217;s been LIED TO by the ADMINISTRATION over and over?  Becuase the TRUTH doesn&#8217;t fit with the STORY?  </p>
<p>Take your pick.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy P</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/john-murthas-pattern-of-wrongness/comment-page-1/#comment-177306</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does he not DOUBT the STORY of the MARINES in Haditha???

Hmmmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does he not DOUBT the STORY of the MARINES in Haditha???</p>
<p>Hmmmmm</p>
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		<title>By: Amy P</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/john-murthas-pattern-of-wrongness/comment-page-1/#comment-177304</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Murtha doubts the STORY of the SUCCESS of the US troops.  Got it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Murtha doubts the STORY of the SUCCESS of the US troops.  Got it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stop Bush!</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/john-murthas-pattern-of-wrongness/comment-page-1/#comment-177282</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop Bush!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conservative Logic: The sky is blue; my car is blue; therefore, my car is the sky.

Re-read the &lt;em&gt;entire&lt;/em&gt; interview on CNN.  Murtha is saying, accurately, that he did know if it was &lt;b&gt;the bomb&lt;/b&gt; that killed Zarqawi, or, as has been reported, Iraqi or US troops engaged Zarqawi after the bombing.  The truth-challenged Bush administration has some 'splainin' to do, because the "facts" keep changing (as usual).  All Murtha was saying is that it seems rather odd that two 500-ton bombs went off, destroying everything in sight, yet "&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/world/middleeast/11scene.html?hp&#38;ex=1149998400&#38;en=991916ed27f6b7a0&#38;ei=5094&#38;partner=homepage" rel="nofollow"&gt;It seemed puzzling&lt;/a&gt;, too, given the destruction and the condition of the other bodies, how Mr. Zarqawi's head and upper body â€” shown on televisions across the world â€” could have remained largely intact."

So, does Murtha doubt the success of the [US] troops?  No; he doubts that the story, as told by the Bushies, is what it is.  And rightly so.  But, the autopsy is coming, which should place Zarqawi at his time of death, as well as the exact cause of death, and I'm sure there is a great deal of wishful thinking at Camp David this weekend that the autopsy shows Zarqawi died due to woulds inflicted by the bombs, and not something that perhaps points to another cause of death (like, say, that he was beaten to death and transported to the scene which, just coincidentally, would make it look good for the Americans).

Murtha's points have a certain ring of truth to them, perhaps due to his 34 years as a Marine, perhaps because speaking truth to power brings credibility, and/or perhaps because he is simply right.  The time has come for the US to tell the Iraqis to stand up so we can stand down, in no uncertain terms.  We will be forced to redeploy the troops eventually; the handwriting is on the wall (Iran) and we'd better be prepared.  This mis-guided attempt and forging democracy in the middle east is going to cost the US much, much more than this $9-billion-a-month mess we've made in Iraq.

And now back to our regularly scheduled program of conservative name-calling, finger-pointing and deception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservative Logic: The sky is blue; my car is blue; therefore, my car is the sky.</p>
<p>Re-read the <em>entire</em> interview on CNN.  Murtha is saying, accurately, that he did know if it was <b>the bomb</b> that killed Zarqawi, or, as has been reported, Iraqi or US troops engaged Zarqawi after the bombing.  The truth-challenged Bush administration has some &#8217;splainin&#8217; to do, because the &#8220;facts&#8221; keep changing (as usual).  All Murtha was saying is that it seems rather odd that two 500-ton bombs went off, destroying everything in sight, yet &#8220;<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/world/middleeast/11scene.html?hp&amp;ex=1149998400&amp;en=991916ed27f6b7a0&amp;ei=5094&amp;partner=homepage" rel="nofollow">It seemed puzzling</a>, too, given the destruction and the condition of the other bodies, how Mr. Zarqawi&#8217;s head and upper body â€” shown on televisions across the world â€” could have remained largely intact.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, does Murtha doubt the success of the [US] troops?  No; he doubts that the story, as told by the Bushies, is what it is.  And rightly so.  But, the autopsy is coming, which should place Zarqawi at his time of death, as well as the exact cause of death, and I&#8217;m sure there is a great deal of wishful thinking at Camp David this weekend that the autopsy shows Zarqawi died due to woulds inflicted by the bombs, and not something that perhaps points to another cause of death (like, say, that he was beaten to death and transported to the scene which, just coincidentally, would make it look good for the Americans).</p>
<p>Murtha&#8217;s points have a certain ring of truth to them, perhaps due to his 34 years as a Marine, perhaps because speaking truth to power brings credibility, and/or perhaps because he is simply right.  The time has come for the US to tell the Iraqis to stand up so we can stand down, in no uncertain terms.  We will be forced to redeploy the troops eventually; the handwriting is on the wall (Iran) and we&#8217;d better be prepared.  This mis-guided attempt and forging democracy in the middle east is going to cost the US much, much more than this $9-billion-a-month mess we&#8217;ve made in Iraq.</p>
<p>And now back to our regularly scheduled program of conservative name-calling, finger-pointing and deception.</p>
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		<title>By: Processed Cheese Eating Quagmire Monkeys</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/john-murthas-pattern-of-wrongness/comment-page-1/#comment-177227</link>
		<dc:creator>Processed Cheese Eating Quagmire Monkeys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush is out of his depth. Worse, he is callous to the deaths of American soldiers caused by the political stunts and anti-democratic corruption of Rove and Cheney. You support these traitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush is out of his depth. Worse, he is callous to the deaths of American soldiers caused by the political stunts and anti-democratic corruption of Rove and Cheney. You support these traitors.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fastest Squirrel</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/john-murthas-pattern-of-wrongness/comment-page-1/#comment-176815</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fastest Squirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murtha is an Asshat. Nice analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murtha is an Asshat. Nice analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Berg: No Good in Al-Zarqawi's Death&lt;/strong&gt;

Father of man believed to be beheaded by al-Zarqawi sees no good in terrorist leader's death</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Berg: No Good in Al-Zarqawi&#8217;s Death</strong></p>
<p>Father of man believed to be beheaded by al-Zarqawi sees no good in terrorist leader&#8217;s death</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murtha's "heroism" (in 'Nam) notwithstanding, Are his pants on fire yet?  They should have been years ago.

"There's nobody done more for the troops than I have."  What planet is he from?  Or has he just gotten completely wrapped up in  Newspeak?  I mean, at least most donkeys acknowledge some portion of reality occasionally, but this breathing abortion can't get anything straight.

Just another example of how stupid our elected officials really believe us bumpkins are, and how short they believe our memories are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murtha&#8217;s &#8220;heroism&#8221; (in &#8216;Nam) notwithstanding, Are his pants on fire yet?  They should have been years ago.</p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s nobody done more for the troops than I have.&#8221;  What planet is he from?  Or has he just gotten completely wrapped up in  Newspeak?  I mean, at least most donkeys acknowledge some portion of reality occasionally, but this breathing abortion can&#8217;t get anything straight.</p>
<p>Just another example of how stupid our elected officials really believe us bumpkins are, and how short they believe our memories are.</p>
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		<title>By: Morning Coffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morning Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Murtha Wants to be House Majority Leader&lt;/strong&gt;

From CNN&#160;

Rep. John Murtha, an outspoken opponent of the war in Iraq, announced Friday that he would run for majority leader if the Democrats take over the House in the fall elections.
&#34;If we prevail as I hope and know we will, and return to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Murtha Wants to be House Majority Leader</strong></p>
<p>From CNN&nbsp;</p>
<p>Rep. John Murtha, an outspoken opponent of the war in Iraq, announced Friday that he would run for majority leader if the Democrats take over the House in the fall elections.<br />
&quot;If we prevail as I hope and know we will, and return to&#8230;</p>
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