John Murtha, Traitor
John Murtha’s said some extremely outrageous things the past 6 months but nothing as outrageous as his latest pack of lies. He was barely tolerable when he was hurling lies about conditions on the ground. This latest tripe is the stuff that should get him expelled from the House. Here’s his latest pack of lies:
Rep. John Murtha, an influential Pennsylvania lawmaker and outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, said today Marines had “killed innocent civilians in cold blood” after allegedly responding to a roadside bomb ambush that killed a Marine during a patrol in Haditha, Iraq, Nov. 19. The incident is still under investigation by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service and Multi-National Forces Iraq.
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“It’s much worse than was reported in Time magazine,” Murtha, a Democrat, former Marine colonel and Vietnam war veteran, told reporters on Capitol Hill. “There was no firefight. There was no [bomb] that killed those innocent people,” Murtha explained, adding there were “about twice as many” Iraqis killed than Time had reported.
Frankly, this is the actions of a traitor or a sellout. He deserves to be ridiculed, excoriated and frog-marched off Capitol Hill, then remanded to jail. No bail. Doesn’t this idiot know the type of damage this inflicts on the Marines? Or is it that he’s so intoxicated with the thought of becoming the next chairman of the House Armed Services Committee that he’ll say anything?
When Murtha’s made prior outrageous statements, I’ve advocated that the Pennsylvania voters should fire him. This goes beyond him advocating “immediate redeployment” of the troops or his claiming that “our troops are living hand to mouth”. This rises (sinks?) to the level of harming the U.S. military at a time of war. That takes it beyond Pennsylvania. Now it’s the nation’s business.
For that reason, I’m asking that the House Ethics Committee start an investigation into Murtha’s actions and that they expel him from the House if he’s found guilty of betraying the soldiers of the U.S.M.C.
The Marine Response:
“I do not know where Rep. Murtha is obtaining is information,” said Lt. Col. Sean Gibson, a spokesman for Marine Corps Forces Central Command in Tampa, Fla. “Thoroughness will drive the investigation.”
Translation of Col. Gibson’s statement: “I don’t know where Murtha cane up with this BS but it won’t cut it around here. We’ll do the investigation right.”
Mudville Gazette, Hugh Hewitt and Newsbusters have more on the story. This story is about to overshadow the immigration debate. Expect it to be the topic for the foreseeable future.
UPDATE: WOW!!! This has taken off across the right blogosphere. Oliver Willis is ripping me. I’ll wear that as a badge of honor. Blue Crab Boulevard, Beth at Blue Star Chronicles are just a couple of the multitude of blogs hopping on this story.
I predict that this will be the dominant news story for the next week+. Blue Crab Boulevard is joining me in demanding that Murtha either resign or be booted out of the House. I suspect alot of people will be joining us.
UPDATE:
Michelle Malkin: “John Murtha Hanging The Marines”
GatewayPundit:
“So nice of the democratic ‘Hawk’ to give every Anti-American Leftist group more ammunition to lob at America. Thanks, John!”
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May 17th, 2006 at 7:46 pm
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May 17th, 2006 at 7:53 pm
Congressman (and former Colonel of Marines) Murtha has obviously forgotten about the Uniform Code of Military Justice and, specifically, Article 32 of that code.
If deliberate falsehoods, misrepresentations, and “convenient omissions” were capital offenses, then John Murtha should be standing in front of a wall right now, smoking his last cigarette.
As a former Marine myself, let me hurl my worst epithet at John Murtha:
“Unsatisfactory.”
May 17th, 2006 at 8:39 pm
[...] The right is reacting as you would think they would - calling Murtha a traitor. American marines are under investigation for a possible murder and John Murtha is the target of ire? Come on, people. I know your whole movement is designed around defense of the indefensible, but this is is the time to at least pretend to be grown ups. [...]
May 17th, 2006 at 8:41 pm
Stop Murtha from Killing our Troops
Apparently, Congressman Murtha has accused Marines of murder for going into a house in Iraq and killing the occupants after they had been fired upon by someone in that house.
May 17th, 2006 at 8:54 pm
Murtha is a goober.
May 17th, 2006 at 9:03 pm
[...] UPDATE: Wow, this one is getting people upset - and it should regardless of your politics. Putting fellow Americans at risk for some shoddy political gain is beneath contempt. Others blogging: Blue Star Chronicles, Flopping Aces, Mac's Mind, The Wide Awake Café, Sweetness and Light, Carry On America, California Conservative, Expose the Left , Verifrank, Political Pitbull, Hugh Hewitt and Boots and Sabers. I only find a very few lefties linking this story, most repeating the Vietnam meme, so I won't link them at all. Suffice it to say, if you believe it's cool to kill your fellow Americans, do not even try to comment here. You will be banned - permanently. There is no appeal on this one - it is highly personal for me. [...]
May 17th, 2006 at 9:34 pm
Blue Crab Boulevard is joining me in demanding that Murtha either resign or be booted out of the House. I suspect alot of people will be joining us
I’m in! Although, I really think he should get worse than having to resign.
May 17th, 2006 at 10:24 pm
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May 18th, 2006 at 12:02 am
You guys sure know how to get your undies in a bunch.
Your excitable mob-rule reaction makes me think “Maybe the electoral college was a stroke of genius after all.”
May 18th, 2006 at 5:30 am
John Murtha A Disgrace
I’ve been reading the blogging world’s reaction to John Murtha accusation that the Marines killed innocent civilians in cold blood. I think his words are absolutely dispicable while this is still under investigation. If individuals are guilty of this…
May 18th, 2006 at 5:47 am
Does Rep. John Murtha know something we don’t?
Rep. John Murtha, infamous for his call in the fall of 2005 for a US military immediate withdrawal from Iraq, claims to know -prior to the completion of a military investigation - that US Marines in Haditha, Iraq on Nov. 19 “killed innocent civi…
May 18th, 2006 at 6:08 am
Indeed. I second your support for the Electoral College, giving Middle America (”flyover country” as Hollywood refers to it) a fair and fighting chance against
Democratic“mob rule.” But that’s another story.May 18th, 2006 at 6:10 am
Well of course an active duty marine is going to lie about the investigation if thats what his superiors want him to do, and that is what the white house would want, its what they always want.
And Murtha was a marine for 20+ years I doubt he would make such an accusation lightly…so since you have no proof about anything there in your moms basement why don’t you shove it!
May 18th, 2006 at 6:20 am
John Murtha was a Marine. He fought for his country, and not behind a keyboard.
How about you, tough guy? I’d be willing to bet Murtha knows a lot more than you about what happened. I hope he’s wrong, but you may not have all the facts (understatement).
He deserves to be ridiculed, excoriated and frog-marched off Capitol Hill, then remanded to jail. No bail.
You right-wing loonies really, truly do think like fascists.
May 18th, 2006 at 6:29 am
This story is old, the reason these guys are under investigation is they got caught on video tape, unless of course “insurgents” maquerading as Marines did it, I mean that is the usual cover right?
May 18th, 2006 at 6:47 am
It’s possible that Murtha, by virtue of his day job, has access to information that hasn’t yet come to light. It’s also possible that he’s stating as fact what is at this point no more than an allegation. That’s grossly irresponsible, particularly to the Marines in question, but it’s hardly treason, even metaphorically speaking.
Meanwhile, you seem certain that 1) the Hadith allegations are untrue; 2) Murtha knows that; and 3) he’s stating them as fact anyway. Unless YOU have evidence that hasn’t come to light, you’re being just as irresponsible as Murtha.
Would it kill everyone to just wait until the facts come out before building a scaffold? Just sayin’.
May 18th, 2006 at 6:55 am
I agree and support any and all actions against Mr. Murtha. He is a traitor of the worst kind. He is fueling the terrorists of the world and degrading the soldiers and American people. How can we forget all the things he has already said trying to informing the enemy of Americas plans and showing the world that the United States is weak for what appears to be his political gain or ego. Worst of all his last allegation - Marines had “killed innocent civilians in cold bloodâ€. I thought you were inocent until proved guilty. The Military said it is investigating and no chargers or arrests have been made. He said it was done in cold blood and leads the world to believe this happens every day and the soldiers are tired and over stretched. Was he there? He as a Government Lawmaker who is passing judgment before any charges or crimes have been made. How can you respect a person with his responsibilities who violates the laws he is swore to uphold. I for one will not vote for him now and hope other Pennsylvania’s do the same showing him that he is to represent the people and the law’s not for politics or an inflated ego trip. Voting people like him out of office is the only way to reclaim our respect. Disagreement is healthy, constant remarks like his are not.
May 18th, 2006 at 6:57 am
Facts?
We don’t need no stinkin’ facts!
Self-parody is the name of the game here.
May 18th, 2006 at 7:04 am
Murtha: Marines Murdered 15 Unarmed Iraqi Civilians
Rep. Jack Murtha, who came on our radar screen as a “hawk” (although always an opponent of the Iraq War) who called for rapid pullout of troops from Iraq on the basis that our mission has failed, has told the press that the Marines have kil…
May 18th, 2006 at 7:11 am
Over on ESPN we have an “analyst” complaining that the Duke Lacrosse Team Captain is “tainting the jury pool” by doing a press conference after 70 press conferences held by DA Nifong. Here we have a politician (once you become one of those, why should anyone believe you about anything?), who can have direct influence over a soldier’s career making charges not yet adjudicated by a court martial board. I have sat on three boards, and I am incensed that this jackass is trying to make political hay before the facts are in.
I wnat to point out that the way that journalist was injured a while back was not by the IED but by small arms fire coming from surrounding houses immediately after the blast. The soldiers attacked the ambush and surpressed it. Is it just too much TV? The operating standard is to attack when you are drawing fire after the opening rounds of an ambush. The fastest way out is through.
Now consider construction values and the ammunition types that might be used to surpress that “possible” fire. I have participated in a “mad minute” put on as a demonstration at Ft. Sill in 1970. Four of us with M60 machine guns totally destroyed a 10′x10′ brick building put up for the occasion in less than sixty seconds. Our sweetness and light enemies do not tend to evacuate their womenfolk or their children from the line of fire and it is harder to see through walls than to shoot through them.
Was it a “My Lai” moment? I don’t know, it could have been. Was is a doctrinaire attack through an ambush? I don’t know. It could have been. But my kneejerk reaction when Newsweek and a politician are on the same page is to cover my wallet and dive for cover. The fact that is still under investigation in this conflict means very little. With all the second guessing being done by media, I’m quite sure the Marines want to dot every i and cross every t.
Let’s wait for the determination from the people who know something about warfighting and don’t stand to make political points by railing into any loose microphone.
May 18th, 2006 at 7:18 am
The delusional 29% chickenhawks:
“Blue Crab Boulevard is joining me in demanding that Murtha either resign or be booted out of the House. I suspect alot of people will be joining us.”
Demand away…
Getting your knic
May 18th, 2006 at 7:24 am
Anyone who would like to see Jack Murtha thrown out of congress has the option of moving to his home district and voting against him.
Everyone who doesn’t wish to exercise this option can now now accept that plain fact that Congressman Murtha has a right to his opinion and most likely more information to base it on that the 101st Chairborne.
Jack Muthra has committed no crime. He has only opined, largley because it’s happened before under similar circumstances, that and ongoing investigation will show that marines put in a very bad situation overreacted and killed some civilians. In his remarks the congressman lays more blame on the situation than the individual Marines and is proposing a solution. If you have any regard for either the Iraqi people or our own armed forces it’s time to give that solution a reasonable debate.
If on the other hand you wish to persist in calling for actions against this honest man that you have neither the right nor the power to enforce, then that says far more about yourselves than Jack Murtha.
May 18th, 2006 at 7:25 am
Let’s make it real simple: The only one “rushing to judgement” is Rep. John Murtha. And his actions are contemptable, if not treasonous.
Fact: Murtha said Marines had “killed innocent civilians in cold blood.”
Fact: The incident is still under investigation by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service and Multi-National Forces Iraq.
For political gain, Murtha has thrown a grenade into the tent. Nothing else.
May 18th, 2006 at 7:28 am
The 101st Chairborne is suffering from PTSD.
Let’s petition the Veterans’ Administration so that these courageous souls get the care they so truly deserve.
May 18th, 2006 at 7:32 am
If by “political gain” you mean get our troops out of harms way and our nation out of a war it didn’t want, I agree.
So, how’s your enlistment coming along, CC?
May 18th, 2006 at 7:41 am
blah, blah, blah. Murtha this, left-wing moonbats that, right-wing fascists this, george bush is a chimp that. YAWN. where’s my free beer, dammit?
May 18th, 2006 at 7:41 am
You take nice, patriotic young men from the bossom of their family and you train them to be warriors. Then you station them among a foreign population speaking a foreign language, and wearing strange clothing, and whose members include a significant number of people trying to kill the patriotic young men. So the young mens’ bodies are bathed in adrenalyn, and their language to each other is bathed in comtempt for the population, and things happen.
You have no proof that the things Murtha is talking about did or didn’t happen. Let the investigation continue.
But consider that post traumatic stress syndrome does not seem to occur when soldiers fight other warriors in battle. It seems to occur when nice, young men do things as soldiers that they can’t reconcile with being nice, young men. There is a lot of PTSS relating to this war.
Let the investigation continue. If it happened as Murtha says the nice, young men’s souls will be saved by it coming to light.
May 18th, 2006 at 7:45 am
P.S. - i do agree with some posts here, though. have all the conservative support the troops types on this board actually served in the military, or are willing to serve? if not, why not? your president needs you. so does your country. liberals are way too “gay” to fight, so please do the fighting. we libertarians believe in every man for himself, especially when it comes to killing members of the animal kingdom.
May 18th, 2006 at 7:58 am
Aren’t you hurting our troops by further promulgating Murtha’s statement? Most people (Marines included) wouldn’t have even heard about this statement if you and others hadn’t used it for blatant political purposes. If your intentions were as you say, you would shake your head and not reprint what you consider lies and garbage. Though I must say, I’m inclined to beleive Murtha, and from what I can tell, you don’t actually know that he’s lying at all…you just say that he is and mention an investigation is ongoing. Some people know what happened regardless of any investigation, and Murtha is in a much better position than you in regards to knowing the truth. Take your sanctimonious cry-baby BS and shove it.
May 18th, 2006 at 8:14 am
Do I qualify to comment?
Served ‘69 -’78 - 70-77 with 5th SF. Medically retired from wounds received in ‘77. Please don’t tell me we weren’t fighting anywhere then, I have the puckered scars to prove it. Silver Star, Two Bronzes with Vs,one without, two Purple Hearts, four ARCOMs, CIB, HALO wings, assorted “i wuz there ribbons” covering Asia, Africa, Middle East and South America.
May 18th, 2006 at 8:14 am
You guys have really become parodies of yourselves. I used to worry that your hate-filled speach and fascist comments about murdering or jailing anybody who dared disagree with anything you said would cause some sort of harm to the national debate. Now I see that it just causes harm to your own party. Please keep it up.
Man, it’s no wonder the military is abandoning the Republican party en masse. I can’t wait for all those newly returned veterans, running on Democratic tickets, to win this November.
I bet you’ll be calling for their heads and / or jobs within a week, further alienating the military from those of you who just talk tough but don’t have the stones to actually do the fighting.
“Anybody who disagrees with me is a traitor!”
“Anybody who disagrees with me is a traitor!”
“Anybody who disagrees with me is a traitor!”
Rock on California Conservative. Rock on.
May 18th, 2006 at 8:18 am
Alright, CC. We’ll play your silly game:
Fact: The article you link to in the Army times says that the Marines in question went into a house or houses and killed women and children.
Fact: the same link says that the Corp origonally reported that said civilians were killed by an IED.
Fact: The Batallion commander and two company company commanders from 1-3 have been relieved over this.
Fact: Jack Murtha was in that same village less than 3 months before the incident.
Analysis: based upon known facts, Jack Murtha knows what he’s talking about. CC doesn’t know Jack.
May 18th, 2006 at 8:46 am
As a former marine infantryman, here’s to hoping Murtha’s wrong. But if those fighters killed civilians, they deserve punishment. what’s more, the no-win scenario in which they find themselves fighting is really the problem. As Murtha said, they are stretched beyond what anyone NOT THERE can comprehend. You idiots calling him a traitor are lost, in a facist dreamland, and need to learn something beyond “my country right or wrong.” Semper Fi, to the truth
May 18th, 2006 at 9:10 am
Not-Vietnam now has its own Not-My-Lai.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:19 am
Blind faith can only turn its gaze on abstracts and not on humans. You say that Murtha is a traitor because he alleges wrong doing. He has not assigned any guilt here, but is pointing out the facts, as the military itself has reported them. But go ahead and blindly defend anything without regard to the humanity of the situation. In any event, Murtha clearly states that he does not hold these men absolutely liable for their actions, but places the blame on the idiots who have given our troups an impossible job to accomplish. The treason comes from our leaders who have no idea what they are doing and placing our citizens in harm’s way for abstract purely ideological strategies that are bankrupt and without any moral backing.
But please feel warm behind that keyboard as you strut around thinking how manly you are for “supporting” the troups by trashing one of their own. One who has had the true balls to tell it like it is and not pay homage to a leader who plays with our military as if it were some video game.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:24 am
Given Murtha’s past fabrications, like “our soldiers are living hand to mouth” & “our soldiers are now the main targets” or his repeated claims that we’re in a civil war (Ralph Peters dispelled that myth.) make his comments highly suspicious at best.
Furthermore, whatever happened to these soldiers’ due process rights? At minimum, shouldn’t the investigation be allowed to finish?
May 18th, 2006 at 9:36 am
Why don’t you wait for more facts? Murtha has strong contacts nside the pentagon and is likely more right than wrong. Of course facts don’t seem to matter much to yu.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:47 am
Thanks to Oliver Willis for sharing some of his readers with us!
“Out of the shadows,” as el Presidente might say.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:24 am
None of you chickenhawk twerps are worthy of carrying Murtha’s combat medals. While you girls are throwing around terms like “traitor” and “coward” John Murtha is representing the military code of honor. It was the military who prevented My Lai from being swept under the rug by pimps like you, and it will be the military and their friend John Murtha that assures that the true story of Haditha gets out.
You rightwing punks are a disgrace.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:25 am
I loe watching ignorant chickenhawks who have never spent a minute in uniform proclaiming themselves the “patriots” and accusing those who actually serve of being “traitors.” But then, there’s nothing you righties believe that can’t be proven to be a fantasy with ten minutes’ research.
The Marines think their honor is more important than anything else. That’s why they have taken the actions they have, and why the investigation continues.
John Murtha, who - unlike you, you moron - actually served his country as a Marine, knows what it means “once a Marine, always a Marine,” and what is being done to his Corps by you know-nothing traitors and your “hero president” who was too busy with all-day pool parties with ambitious secretaries while guys like Murtha were in Vietnam to even manage to get to the Texas ANG to defend the RoT from invasion by New Mexico, makes him (and the rest of us who actually knbw the sound of the bullet that missed) want to puke.
Why don’t you go prove what a patriot you are and actually join up? Oh, that’s right, you can’t - they don’t take psycopath illiterates.
In the imortal words of your fatassed Vice President: GO FUCK YOURSELF.
It disgusts me that the rest of us allow you to stay in California. Go back to Podunk where you belong, asshole.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:30 am
In case anyone thought I - Thomas C - is the “TC” that posted one minute after I did, I’m not.
But TC, whoever you are, god bless ya. You must have been a marine or known some, because you hit the nail on the head - honor above all. It’s tough for us civilians to relate to Marines and the way they can seem to delight in armed combat. But it’s just as tough for us to understand the shame and disgust they feel on those rare occasions when marines kill unarmed civilians. There is no one - NO ONE - more upset about Haditha right now then good marines; I will guarantee you that.
Semper fi, TC.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:37 am
Your entire reaction is based on the assumption that the marines did not go on a rampage killing civilians.
What if they did?
Those marines are after all human under enormous stress and this would not be the first time that an atrocity against civilians has been committed purposely during war (e.g. - My Lai).
All the reports that we have thus far say one marine was killed by a road side bomb and “somehow” somewhere between 15 and 30 civilians wound up dead, with no insurgent deaths.
If there was no fire received from the enemy after the bomb went off (none has been reported AFAIK) how can you presume that the marines didn’t act out of line and therefore we should string Murtha up by his toes before we know more?
His claim could be the truth and he probably arrived at his claim based on the evidence he saw wrt this incident. For you to immediately dismiss his claim as unfounded (and censor / expel him from the house) when it jives with the evidence that we do know is a wee bit laughable.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:41 am
JSchultz, truth and evidence mean nothing to these rightwing pimps. They sit at their keyboards and slander good men like Murtha and Kerry, all out of some insanely misguided notion that the war criminal at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is god, or Churchill, or whatever.
Murtha based his account on military sources, and NBC obtained confirmation from military sources. Dumbsfeld and the Pentagon are gonna have to ‘fess up, and when they do I’ll be back at this wingnut cesspool to remind the chickenhawks who the real traitors are.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:02 am
You suggest Murtha has lied about the conditions in Iraq.
Have you been there? He has!
Do you go to Veteran hospitals to talk to maimed soldiers and marines? He does!
He served his country in war. He WAS a supporter of the invasion of Iraq. He finally realized that the Pentagon’s policies are failing.
And he is not a chicken hawk nor a traitor.
You really need to rethink this, bud.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:03 am
It’s nice to see that we’ve got the lock on such outspoken and “well-informed” military readership, each one sounding as if they’ve personally fought alongside the likes of John Kerry, as he swiftboated thru Vietnam and valiantly shot at women and children on the shoreline.
Only sad that these same critics dismiss anyone who challenges Murtha’s public statements, assuming the author of this post to be non-military, calling “morons,” “wimps,” and “chickens.”
In terms of service, ad hominem attack is the battle those commenting above seem to be most familiar with. And throw in a few colorful expletives to sound tough, too.
As for being “rightwing pimps,” that’s a new one. Original? Kinda snappy. Keep ‘em coming.
Finally, TC, didn’t you fly a helicopter over the jungles of Hawaii on Magnum P.I.? He was a vet, too. But I think he votes Republican.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:06 am
You don’t have any evidence Murtha lied, and the Marines did not deny his comments. So what are you talking about?
Btw, thanks for translating Col. Gibson’s statement into you’re playground talk _ it’s hard for me to understand anything that isn’t truly knee-jerkese.
Flippantly slinging the charge “traitor” is not only stupid, it’s a little more serious than your 10 year old pants can handle.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:11 am
Murtha’s Latest Tripe
There is a saying, Once a Marine, always a Marine… I don't think it applies to John Murtha.
As a former Colonel in the Marine Corps Murtha knows full well that until the investigation is completed the Marines will make no comments to either d…
May 18th, 2006 at 11:35 am
He’s a politician, it is an election year, and you don’t have any proof that he is telling the truth.
However in March, Lieut. Colonel Michelle Martin-Hing, spokeswoman for the Multi-National Force-Iraq, told Time the involvement of the NCIS does not mean that a crime occurred. And she says the fault for the civilian deaths lies squarely with the insurgents, who “placed noncombatants in the line of fire as the Marines responded to defend themselves.”
Murtha also said some things about a civil war that were debunked by Ralph Peters here.
Disclaimer:
While Ralph Peters and I served in some of the same places at the same time, I have never met him but I trust trained really trained personal observation over “sources” any and every time.
May 18th, 2006 at 12:01 pm
I love that you spineless losers believe that you are qualified to judge someone of the stature of John Murtha. Go back to your mommies teets little children. Leave the heavy lifting to the grownups.
May 18th, 2006 at 12:43 pm
Don’t let “teets” be the last word. We’ll take nipple for $200, Bob.
May 18th, 2006 at 12:55 pm
John Murtha is a hero in every sort of way, and even more so for the way he has been speaking out about what is happening in Iraq.
Your comments are utter nonsense, but that’s keeping in line with your website and proudly linking to such losers as Michelle Malkin and Hugh Hewitt (and losers they positively are:any attempts to defend their bile are sure to be laughable).
Go ahead, flame away. I’m a CA liberal that’s proud of how the progressives of this fine state are keeping folks like yourself at bay. Silent majority? Yeah, right…
May 18th, 2006 at 1:45 pm
On Nov. 20, U.S. Marines spokesman Capt. Jeffrey Pool issued a statement saying that on the previous day a roadside bomb had killed 15 civilians and a Marine. In a later gunbattle, U.S. and Iraqi troops killed eight insurgents, he said.
U.S. military officials later confirmed that the version of events was wrong. read: THEY LIED
Military officials say Marine Corp photos taken immediately after the incident show many of the victims were shot at close range, in the head and chest, execution-style. One photo shows a mother and young child bent over on the floor as if in prayer, shot dead, said the officials, who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity because the investigation hasn’t been completed.
One military official says it appears the civilians were deliberately killed by the Marines, who were outraged at the death of their fellow Marine.
“This one is ugly,†one official told NBC News.
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So riddle me this wingnuts…where do you get off attacking John Murtha. You who were born without spines are not in the same league as a man like Murtha. I know you think you’re tough and macho and all perched there over your keyboards with your decaf non-fat lattes at arm’s reach, but really you’re just a bunch of weasles who are too jelly-livered to face the hellish reality that your party has created. You will all go to your deaths believing that it is “somebody elses fault.†Pathetic.
May 18th, 2006 at 2:16 pm
I know you think you’re tough and macho and all perched there over your keyboards with your decaf non-fat lattes at arm’s reach, but really you’re just a bunch of weasles who are too jelly-livered to face the hellish reality that your party has created.
Make that a Venti houseblend with a little foam on the side. Your prose is perhaps the funniest thing we’ve read all day. Thank you. And it’s flattering to know that Howard Dean’s speechwriter would be visiting our humble blog.
When you get a chance, please provide a link to the excerpts above for our interested readers. ’til then, the chicken has flown the Coop.
It’s time for a soy smoothie.
May 18th, 2006 at 2:23 pm
I read this site and the supportive comments and just thank the lord that you nut jobs are such a small withering minority. Murtha is genuine American dedicated to public service. You slugs have no concept of the word freedom.
May 18th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
I once was at an Army Reserve training class where one classmate attempted to justify what had happened at My Lai to the instructor. This was in 1980.
The instructor, a Special Forces master sergeant (who was in Vietnam and also in Bolivia when Che was killed), instantly berated the idea that My Lai was justified, saying that Calley should have been “hung by his balls” for killing innocent civilians and dishonoring the USA.
That made me proud to wear the uniform.
Atrocities against women and children do not make me proud to be an American.
If the facts come out as badly as Murtha implies, and it appears that he has inside knowledge, he is to be commended for telling the truth.
I was in Iraq, as a contractor on governance and democracy programs - I was there then Abu Ghraib broke. It had a devastating effect to our image in Iraq.
Aren’t we supposed to be bringing democracy to Iraq?
I sympathize, as Murtha does, with the beleaguered Soldiers and Marines - there are not enough of them to do the job, and Rumsfeld has fought expanding the size of the force tooth-and-nail. The media is not the source of the problems which Soldiers and Marines face: it is the fact that there never have been enough of them to do the job. They have to roll out of the gate every day and night to patrol streets which have never been secured.
Since I know Iraqis, have worked with Iraqis and have friends who are Iraqis, I can’t just dehumanize them and place their lives as worthless. The bad guys, and only the bad guys, have to be killed or captured.
Reprisal killings of civilians are wrong. Telling the truth, however unpleasant, is right. If we can’t do this job right, then Murtha is right, we should get out, because we are harming the Iraqis and ourselves.
May 18th, 2006 at 2:44 pm
CC, you are a loser. If you don’t have anything of value to say, stfu. You give our beautiful state a bad smell.
May 18th, 2006 at 3:24 pm
It appears this page is hardly serving the purpose its author intended. The idea of Murtha being a traitor has been almost thoroughly refuted (the refutation will be thorough once the military investigation is completed). The poor beleaguered California Conservative can now only make insipid quips about coffee, and claim disingenously that he finds it funny how he has been made to look stupid on his own blog. This page is patriotism in action, allowing truth to prevail despite original attempts at the opposite. I believe as the GOP, neocons and BushCo unravel before our eyes, that blogs like these, with their impotent attempts to put fig leaves over their discredited world view, serve a very useful purpose in the public debate. Unfortunately, it’s not the purpose they intend.
May 18th, 2006 at 3:25 pm
“This report is going to be ugly,” one commander said, adding that it appears the Marines did not follow the rules of engagement.
May 18th, 2006 at 3:31 pm
AP: Also killed were Younis’s daughters, Nour, 14, who was shot in the head; Seba, 10, who was hit in the chest; Zeinab, 5, shot in the chest and stomach; and Aisha, 3, who was shot in the chest. Hoda Yassin, a visiting relative, was also killed, Rsayef and Hamza said.
May 18th, 2006 at 3:35 pm
VOA: Three officers from the Marine unit have been relieved of duty in connection with the incident.
May 18th, 2006 at 3:58 pm
Paul, et al.
Most of the comments on this thread are vulgar rants without much substance — or style for that matter. Quips are the only response they merit, and humor is all that can be found.
Defenders of Jack Murtha require a mentality similar to shortsellers on Wall Street: negative. They hope that poor earnings and bad news will make a stock price plummet so that they can capitalize on others’ losses and misfortune. In this case, the stock they’re playing with is the U.S. military.
For those fervently defending Murtha despite having no *facts*, it’s clear that you are predisposed to the notion that the military is guilty of atrocities. Hence, for Murtha to be proven correct as you feverishly argue, your are *hoping* for the military to be found guilty. The question is why?
The point to this post is that Murtha is grandstanding, maligning the military in public, for what purpose? To what end? What does it accomplish?
If, after investigations are completed, some soldiers are found guilty of the accusations, will it make the troops somehow *more* guilty?
Only to those who despise the US military in the first place, and prefer to hang them in the court of public opinion.
May 18th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
I knew there were still some Chicken Hawk websites.. and I found one! Congratulations on being one the remaining clueless in the country. 29% and fading fast. Luckily the upcoming impeachments will remove the traitors for the white house.
As you, Cowardly Hen, why don’t you go to Iraq, if everything is so great there, and put your money where your mouth is.. if you can handle the pressure.
Or at least get on the front lines of the French Boycott!!!!!
LOL
bok bok chicken hawk
May 18th, 2006 at 4:05 pm
“Most of the comments on this thread are vulgar rants without much substance — or style for that matter. Quips are the only response they merit, and humor is all that can be found.”
-said by the guy that sends others to die for his Oil War.
You led the way, California Chicken Hawk!
We don’t think that the military is predisposed of committing atrocities, as you cowardly put it. We do think though that those in the White House are more than happy to order up the atrocities.
just look at their track record.
May 18th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
Why should anyone give the benefit of the doubt to Murtha, who doesn’t hide his dislike for this military operation in Iraq, and not the troops? If Murtha knew something, he would have shared it. He’s simply stuck on Vietnam.
My husband served in Iraq for a year and his experience was that many times, an Iraqi, an Imam or a group of folks sympathetic to the insurgency spread lies about the US troops.. like, it was the US soldiers who did such and such. My husband and his guys exposed a LOT of such plots by disgruntled Iraqis. Lying is not an unusual tactic for untrained, unprofessional enemies like the insurgency. It could also be that the little girl whom I read about in the article who said the troops shot her dad while he was, *sigh*, praying, didn’t know that he was an insurgent or helping the enemy. Again, common practice is to use mosques or religious props to cover your agenda. Saddam was the master at that; I have a poster at home signed by my husband’s guys of Saddam kneeling and praying on his prayer mat. the truth is he was/is a secular Muslim, not religious, and used Islam to appeal to devout Muslims.
That would be extremely unusual for the Marines. These guys are professionals. These aren’t Reserves like with Abu Ghraib. There is clearly something missing in this story.
Murtha doesn’t even try to make sense. He compares everything to Vietnam. He has lied about the troops, the war and proposed military tactics (immediate withdrawal comes to mind) that would be collossal failures. He knows people in the Pentegon, does he? Well the troops know more about that mission in Iraq than he. Period.
May 18th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
Murtha is a liar and a Coward! He doesn’t know anything. The NCIS is still investigating. GWB is the greatest president ever. he had the courage to face evil over there so cowards like Murtha wouldn’t have to fight the terrorists here. If GWB could, he’d be strapped up with an M16 rambo style and would kill innocnet terrorist towel heads himself. Years in the Texas air national gurad made him a killing machine that Murtha only wishes he was! Moonbats are stupid!
May 18th, 2006 at 5:47 pm
NY Conservative, you’ve really got me scratching my head. I can’t tell if you’re secretly a Bush hater who is pretending to be a Bush supporter in order to make them look stupid (”If GWB could, he’d be strapped up with an M16 rambo style and would kill innocnet terrorist towel heads himself”), or if you really mean what you wrote and are hopelessly stupid yourself. Either way, your post was hilarious.
CC, in response, I am not fervently defending Murtha. I don’t know the truth, and neither do you. However, I have noticed that very unevenly matched military conflicts lacking any sort of morally rightous cause and with a grave lack of cultural understanding often produce attrocities. History provides plenty of examples, of which My Lai is only one and Abu Ghraib is another. I personally find that far more plausible than a decorated career marine is slandering his fellow marines simply to protest this disastrous war.
But in my uncertainty, notice that I’m not calling for the immediate summary execution of those marines. Contrast that with your call for Murtha to be imprisoned. Sometimes it’s best to accept that you don’t know all the facts yet. Otherwise, you overreach and allow a bunch of people to make you look like an imbecile.
May 18th, 2006 at 5:54 pm
The point to this post is that Murtha is grandstanding, maligning the military in public, for what purpose? To what end? What does it accomplish?
It draws attention to some very horrible things that are being done in all our names, and to which we are all complicit. See, a democracy only works when you have an informed public. An informed public would never allowed Bush to get in for a single term, would never allowed our troops to go to Iraq, and now would demand a thorough dialogue on proper courses of action (including complete redeployment as well as BushCo’s “everything’s going great and we’ve turned yet another corner” nonsense). In order to properly inform an information-saturated public about very serious matters taking place on the other side of the world, sometimes you have to yell, just as you would in a burning building. I don’t see it as a bad thing, and if you valued democracy, neither would you.
May 18th, 2006 at 6:21 pm
The Murtha Court-Martial
Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa), one of the Bush Administration’s chief critics, and an ex-Marine himself has made a public accusation that U.S. Marines had “killed innocent civilians in cold blood†after allegedly responding to a roadside bomb ambush tha…
May 18th, 2006 at 6:43 pm
Paul, whilst we may continue to disagree on substance and ideology, your dual response is thoughtfully articulated. Thank you for showing others on your side proper decorum.
As for me, I can’t take the credit or the accolades: this article was written by our Contributing Editor, Gary Gross. [Note the links beneath the headline]
I’m just having fun and enjoying the show today.
But if you like his work, there’s plenty more. And we appreciate your continued readership.
p.s. yes, I’m skeptical about NY Conservative, too. The M16 Rambo line had me laughing out loud as well. Frankly, he sounds more like a liberal in disguise, whereby pretending to be a Republican is the only time he has the courage to speak out against the enemies of Western civilization.
May 18th, 2006 at 6:57 pm
First and last visit. I’m disgusted by the little twerps that want Murtha jailed.
Want actual Treason? Want to frog march and jail some actual Traitors? Then throw the entire executive branch in a deep, dark dungeon.
Yep. the ChickenHawk criticism remains true. Bush, Cheney, and likely a whole bunch of cowardly punks posting here and masquerading as “conservatives”.
Cowards.
Sincerely,
Zelig — RVN Class of ‘68
May 18th, 2006 at 7:26 pm
As for me, I can’t take the credit or the accolades: this article was written by our Contributing Editor, Gary Gross.
I don’t blame you for pointing this guy out. On the page you linked to, he’s got another equally ill-conceived post about John Conyers, showing clearly that he either didn’t read the statement or didn’t understand it. I haven’t read any articles written by you, CC, but from what I’ve seen, you’d have to be a pretty sorry blogger not to do a better job than your contributing editor.
Frankly, he sounds more like a liberal in disguise, whereby pretending to be a Republican is the only time he has the courage to speak out against the enemies of Western civilization.
Okay, let me get this straight.
To anonymously type a rant about a group of impoverished, ineffective malcontents on the other side of the world, passes as courage for you?
I mean, sure, NY Conservative is probably not for real. But you’re saying, real or not, that what he wrote took courage. Or maybe only if he was being sincere would his words be courageous. It’s courageous to anonymously write a homocidal, racist rant about killing people on the other side of the world.
Damn, CC, you just explained a great deal about your 29%! This page truly explains the chickenhawk credo. Thanks for being so candid, although I doubt that was your intention.
May 18th, 2006 at 8:03 pm
In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan, There you go again…
May 19th, 2006 at 12:00 am
look dude, man, come on. yeah, this info does suck. but why you gotta lash out at murtha?
marines are goin thru s*** over there, their buddies are getting killed. this stuff happens when things get drawn out. we need maybe to gtf out, or maybe triple the troop size and get the job done?
but hangin’ murtha is ANTI DEMOCRTIC.
we are not a nation that needs to BULLS*** itself to feel patriotic, you know what I mean? we are a nation that deals in information, and we can handle it. Totalitarian and fascist regimes, cant. They “protect” their fragile, repressed countries from “information.” That’s not America.
So you disagree with Murtha. That’s America too. We’re all on the same side, but we’re going to have differences of opinion. That’s part of what makes us great. And speaking of being on the same side in terms of the real battle we are waging, what is up with this??
May 19th, 2006 at 12:12 am
“So nice of the democratic ‘Hawk’ to give every Anti-American Leftist group more ammunition to lob at America. Thanks, John!
look, I’m not liberal (I hate labels, but want to make a point). but come on, this is b.s if you need to think that those groups are “anti american” then you are just fooling yourself so as not to listen to what their perspective is. yeah, there’s always going to be examples of stuff that might seem that way but for the most part, everyboyd is as patriotic as you, and trying to arrive at the is not anti American. In fact, IT IS AMERICAN.
but in with ya on the immigration stuff
May 19th, 2006 at 1:21 am
“As for being “rightwing pimps,†that’s a new one. Original? Kinda snappy. Keep ‘em coming.”
Nah it’s old; two weeks ago the various wingnut websites were embracing their “inner chickenhawk” by signing up for the “101st Fighting keyboardists” over at Captain’s poopdeck. They didn’t like learning that “chickenhawk” is also street slang - for people who hang around bus terminals and train stations looking for desperate kids who’ve run away from home and looking to “make it in the big city,” so they can hook them into prostitution.
Sort of like wingnut websites that pimp the war to the young and gullible.
Is that more clear?
I love your graphic; it gives your site a Ted Koszinski -type feel.
May 19th, 2006 at 1:32 am
“In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan, There you go again…”
Right up there with “Let’s start with the part that is the most controversial. A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that’s true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.”
Immortal words indeed - and telling that you’d reference another republican traitor.
May 19th, 2006 at 12:35 pm
Speaking as someone who is in the military, it amuses me to no end when liberals pull out the “chickenhawk” meme. It provides a nice barometer of how intellectually lazy and unoriginal their thought processes are. If someone supports gay marriage, does that mean they need to commit sodomy to show that support?
“but why you gotta lash out at murtha?”
Why is Murtha accusing Marines of atrocities when the investigation is not complete and they have not had the benefit of a courts-martial to determine their guilt or innocence? Regardless of the facts, Murtha’s action was nothing more than shameless publicity whoring to get a tongue-bath from anti-war leftists. That they are so quick to jump to his defense indicates that they only care about the foundations of our justice system when it is not their opponents’ political ox that is being gored. This is political opportunism at its worst, not a patriotic defense of our nation’s ideals. I don’t give two shits if Murtha was in the military, his service doesn’t give him a free pass to undermine our justice system by declaring these Marines’ guilt before the fact. That the chickenhawk-sqwaking leftists on this board either can’t or won’t grasp that speaks volumes as to their own devotion to Constitutional principle.
May 19th, 2006 at 12:48 pm
You wouldn’t know “constitutional principle” if it bent you over the table and ass-fucked you. You’d call it “unenumerated presidental authority,” and attempt a reach-around.
May 19th, 2006 at 12:56 pm
“It provides a nice barometer of how intellectually lazy and unoriginal their thought processes are.”
Dave
So, Dave; how that for intellectual originality?
Better that the predigested cud you spew, and if you were ever in the military, it must have been a very, very, long time ago.
I guess you didn’t like my pointing out how St. Ronald sold weapons to terrorists. Kind of shows how fake “conservative values” are, I can see why it would upset you.
Chickenhawk = war pimp. And you don’t even have to be able to serve, just type.
May 19th, 2006 at 1:36 pm
I assume CC will shut it down if he is proven wrong–just like O Reilly quit as promised when there no WMDs found. ha ha
It has been a bad three years for wimdbags like this. They lose their tempers more easily nowadays. Every critic is a traitor, every opponent a liar.
May 19th, 2006 at 1:43 pm
I’m for real bitches! Real courage is cutting short a vacation in Texas to sign legislation aimed at granting Federal Jurisdiction over a family law matter for political gain, to save the life of a woman who wants to die.
Real courage is proposing a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage in an election year!
Serving in the Marine Corps and being so cowardly and proud as to highlight atrocities we’ve committed in the name of liberation, now that is a wuss.
A real man would get rejected form UT Law and have his daddy get him into HBS, then go on to serve as governor of the state that rejected him. Now that take courage -applying to a public school where your family connections don’t factor into admissions! Rambo style.
May 19th, 2006 at 3:25 pm
Oops. Looks like Murtha is correct. Conservative can’t be right ALL the time.
US lawmaker says 24 Iraqis killed in 2005 incident
[Publisher's Note: "Accident". Headline is misleading because Murtha is characterizing it as intentional.]
May 19th, 2006 at 3:29 pm
Why is Murtha accusing Marines of atrocities when the investigation is not complete and they have not had the benefit of a courts-martial to determine their guilt or innocence?
so according to the logic of the rest of your post,no information as we know it is ever disclosed until a trial is over? that would end 90% of tv. knows coverage. Murtha is declaring what he knows. that is consistent with what EVERYBODY DOES, ALMOST ALL OF THE TIME. yet here becuase it conflicts with what you want to hear, you self rigteously twist it into someting entirely different,and don’t even realize it.
as for the “chickenhawk”phrase, your analogy is pretty bad. but I think the larger point is that there has been a tendency to confuse the nobility of the soldier sent off the war, with the leaders who send them.
also, its very easy to send someone else’s sons and daughters off to war, but hard to send one’s own. the true test of any military action is, “would you look your own son or daughter in the eye, and send them?” that does make it the right call, but it makes it morally justifiable.
did the iraq action pass the latter test? I don’t know. I think it shifted our focus away from fighting terorism, and it has been very badly managed, which has compounded that problem and others.
May 19th, 2006 at 4:47 pm
Barfly:
“You wouldn’t know “constitutional principle†if it bent you over the table and ass-fucked you.” You’d call it “unenumerated presidental authority,†and attempt a reach-around.”
Barfly, are you naturally retarded, or is someone paying you to be so? Way to avoid engaging any of the substance of the post–apparently all you know how to do is produce kindergarten-level argumentation. Tell me that one about the Air Force and the bake sale again.
“So, Dave; how that for intellectual originality?
Better that the predigested cud you spew, and if you were ever in the military, it must have been a very, very, long time ago.”
I’m stationed at Buckley Air Force base, Colorado. Come on down, I’m not hard to find.
“Chickenhawk = war pimp. And you don’t even have to be able to serve, just type.”
Thank you for unwittingly proving my point.
Carter:
“so according to the logic of the rest of your post,no information as we know it is ever disclosed until a trial is over?”
You missed the point–Murtha is making these accusations before the investigation has ended and a courts-martial convened. If he had simply said, “It appears that this may have happened,” it would be one thing. But he is blatantly accusing these Marines of atrocities before their guilt or innocence has been determined, and for nothing more than to make political hay and keep himself in the spotlight. If he is genuinely concerned about the Marines’ reputation, and the rep of the Corps, he should wait until all the facts are determined before condemning them.
“the true test of any military action is, “would you look your own son or daughter in the eye, and send them?—
Unforrtunately, this argument doesn’t hold up–parents don’t send their children off to war, and these children are in fact adults who know full well when they sign that contract that they may be called on to go to war, even one that they may not support. During Vietnam, your argument would have some merit because of the draft, but this is an all-voluntary force who understands the risks of being in the military, which has undergone numerous actions in the time since the draft ended.
That said, I agree with you to some extent that Iraq is dominating our focus and we should start drawing down larger numbers of trooops, if nothing else than to make the Iraqis use us less as a crutch. The longer we keep large numbers of troops there, the longer it’s going to be before Iraq is able to take care of its own affairs. I also think that this is going to be like Japan, Germany, or Korea, where we end up having garrisons in the region for decades, simply because it is too significant in the modern geo-political world.
May 19th, 2006 at 7:32 pm
Murtha could be right, but his first knee jerk reaction to a rehashed story from NOVEMBER 2005 is to (yawn) blame the troops. For someone who served in the military, he has done more to distance himself from his honorable service than anyone I’ve ever seen.
Why not wait for the investigation to be completed? What Murtha has done is to give Osama and al-Zarqawi more talking points.
Al-Jazeera on the NSA:
“The privacy of ordinary Americans is fiercely protected in all our activities. We are not ‘mining’ or ‘trolling’ through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans. Our efforts are focused on links to Al Qaeda and their known affiliates,” claimed the U.S. President, in an effort to deter the nation wide criticism, sparked by recent revelations concerning the National Security Agency’s program collecting the phone calls of tens of millions of Americans, the latest of U.S. scandals, which came as a new slap in the face of the Bush administration, now facing all- time low approval ratings.What reasoning can justify violating a nation’s freedoms and privacy?
The NSA program, aimed at building a database of every call made within the country, reaching to thousands of homes and businesses across the U.S. states, is being justified by President Bush, who claims that the campaign is aimed at protecting the nation, by monitoring phone calls of the American people, most of whom aren’t suspected of any crime, arguing that the NSA doesn’t listen or record conversations, and that it’s just using the data to analyze calling patterns to detect terrorist.
What could be more tarnishing to the U.S. image than spying on its own people, while it interferes in other nations, mainly Arab regimes, claiming it’s ensuring that the public is receiving the needed protection of its right from its government.
The U.S. needs to look at its own problems, and busy itself solving them, instead of interfering in other nations’ affairs, brining despair and destruction to our already troubled world.
It’s a shame that U.S. “liberators†deny Americans the right of privacy.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Gitmo, CIA prisons:
There are prisoners in Guantanamo Bay that have not been tried, have no legal representation, their families cannot see them and are obviously kept in a strange land outside their own country. There is no international monitoring of their conditions and fate. No one knows whether they are prisoners, POWs, accused or criminals.
European investigators have confirmed the existence of secret prisons in Europe too. I could not correlate the abduction of a person, and him or her being kept in secret prisons, with the provisions of any judicial system. For that matter, I fail to understand how such actions correspond to the values outlined in the beginning of this letter, i.e. the teachings of Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him), human rights and liberal values.
Al-Zarqawi on Iraq and US Military:
“Why do not you (Pres. Bush) tell the truth about your soldiers and that their fighting will is rather weak, so that your people will know the truth about this war?
Osama Bin Laden on:
Halliburton and Big Oil:
Anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations, like Halliburton and its kind, will be convinced. And it all shows that the real loser is … you.”
“Bush’s hands are stained with the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil and keeping their private companies in business.”
9/11:
“Even after September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes.”
“It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him. ”
Iraq:
“Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.
“This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children - also in Iraq - as Bush Jr did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq’s oil and other outrages.”
“The policy of the White House that demands the opening of war fronts to keep busy their various corporations - whether they be working in the field of arms or oil or reconstruction - has helped al-Qaida to achieve these enormous results.”
“More dangerous and bitter for America is that recently Bush was forced to resort to emergency funds to continue the fight in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is evidence of the success of the bleed-until-bankruptcy plan.”
“So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy bled, and Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten his future.”
“How mistaken we were to have allowed the White House to implement its aggressive foreign policies against the weak without supervision.”
Patriot Act, 2000 Florida election,9/11:
“He (Bush Sr.) took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretense of fighting terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn’t forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region’s presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.”
Vote for John Kerry 2004:
“And know that: ‘It is better to return to the truth than persist in error.’ And that the wise man doesn’t squander his security, wealth and children for the sake of the liar in the White House. ”
**back to me**
Need I go on? There is NO DOUBT that our enemies listen to our media and our dissenters, and that they try to use their words against us. They cannot win the war militarily, so they must win it in the arena of propaganda and PR.
THAT is the one lesson Murtha should have learned from Vietnam, and that is yet another reason why he is so despicable for dissing the troops before the facts are even in.
May 19th, 2006 at 8:10 pm
Dear California Conservative
Soldiers like Murtha fight so that cockroaches like you have the freedom to call people traitors with impunity.
I suggest before you earn the right to call an American Hero a traitor you pick up a rifle and go do some fighting in the field loud mouth. You are one of those lousy chicken hawks that are very patriotic behind a desk.
You are a coward that hides behind a computer to call people names. I ever see you on the streets I dare you to call me anithing wimp.
May 20th, 2006 at 12:58 am
Need I go on? There is NO DOUBT that our enemies listen to our media and our dissenters, and that they try to use their words against us. They cannot win the war militarily, so they must win it in the arena of propaganda and PR.
THAT is the one lesson Murtha should have learned from Vietnam, and that is yet another reason why he is so despicable for dissing the troops before the facts are even in.
Comment by Amy Proctor — May 19, 2006 @ 7:32 pm
You are certifiable. If you don’t like freedom of speech, move to a country that doesn’t have it.
May 20th, 2006 at 1:04 am
I’m stationed at Buckley Air Force base, Colorado. Come on down, I’m not hard to find.
Dave
Well, I do have a vacation coming soon. What’s your last name? I’d hate to administer an ass whoopin’
to the wrong cadet.
May 20th, 2006 at 7:15 am
The Republinazi fighting keyboardists are at it again….
May 20th, 2006 at 12:03 pm
“Well, I do have a vacation coming soon. What’s your last name? I’d hate to administer an ass whoopin’
to the wrong cadet.”
I live in building 28, room 110. See you then.
Oh, and enlisted men in the Air Force are airmen, not cadets. Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance again.
May 20th, 2006 at 4:02 pm
CC-
Ouch! Quite a spanking you’ve taken on this one. Your post said “I’m just having fun and enjoying the show today.” Masochist, are you?
May 20th, 2006 at 4:18 pm
Murtha’s Latest Angry Accusation & the Media’s Bias on Iraq
If you want (yet) another sign of media bias, all you needed to do was to sign onto AOL. For the past twenty-four hours, during the same period the Iraqi parliament confirmed that nation’s first full-term elected government, AOL l”Top New…
May 20th, 2006 at 7:34 pm
Chris.
Building 28 Room 110.
That’s the girl’s dorm at Our Lady of the Lake School for Girls in Pleasantville, CO.
By the way you do seam to have a lot of time on your hands for an Air Man in Colorodo.
Another thing. Are you guys not tought civility by any chance? Let me be clear. I am insulting you because that is the way you treat people in this blog.
Finally.
If it is true that you are an Air Man in Colorado and your superior officer(s) find out that you are giving room #’s and Building #’s over the internet and inviting strangers to go there and fight you, the only thing you will find yourself fighting is your expulsion.
May 20th, 2006 at 8:44 pm
Barf, sorry I make so much sense you can’t answer the points.
I LOVE freedom of speech, especially mine. I really think this whole issue is over your head. An elected official has an obligation to be faithful to his country before being faithful to terrorists. Yeah, thats’ certifiable.
And barfy, I somehow doubt you could beat up even a High School JROTC cadet.
May 21st, 2006 at 9:19 am
You may sweep dirt under the rug but that doesn’t mean the floor is clean. Murtha’s assertions are based on the Marine Corp’s own account of the incident. The tactic many of you propose is called “cover-up.” In any society, that is a failed policy but it is particularly loathsome in a democracy. The right course of action is to discipline violaters and to officially correct any wrongs. Uncle Sam’s eye is blackened only if we fail to make necessary corrections.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:43 am
Shrill.
May 21st, 2006 at 2:13 pm
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May 21st, 2006 at 6:50 pm
a 3 year old was killed! regardless of your opinions otherwise, this was bad….and your flailing of Murtha is a pot and kettle situation.
putting aside the obvious partisan politics being played out here, a child was killed in a controlled situation, not a carpet bombing, not an artillery barrage but an up close raid on a domestic domicile…either way you cut it something went wrong here, and the inflammatory statements from both sides miss the greater point of that. Despite the history of Iraq and the US these were innocent civilians, caught up in a war after the fact of the brutal regime of Hussein. Show these unfortunate people, yes people like you and me, some respect.
May 22nd, 2006 at 10:59 am
Wow amazing that California Chicken hawk is allowing the interesting debate to take place. Must as I despise you for your hatred of our troops,CC, I must applaud you for allowing a debate to occur. Perhaps deep down inside you actually do care for and belive in America? Hard to tell you aid and abet the traitor in the White House who is prostituting our troops for personal profit. You view with happiness that he has destroyed our economy abandoned New Orleans, let NYC get destroyed by terrorists, and sent our sacred army into a sand pit to die.
We shoulda nuked the Saudis for bombing NYC> Instead bu$h the traitor let them go free so we could kick the hell out of some 3rd world shit hold that couldn’t fight back.
Typical Repuke type of actions- whenever you feel pain lash out at the nearest defensless and weak cripple in a wheelchair. That’ll make all the cowardly wingnuts feel better while the ultra rich scoop up billions in no bid contracts. Everyone wins!
Except America, which is being destroyed. Thanks CC, at least, for this open forum, most conservatives are scared of free speech.
xyq
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:26 pm
A.Political,
Murtha didn’t learn this from the Marines; it’s not a public investigation. Military investigations are not open to the public. He learned this admittedly from Time Magazine. His words in a CNN interview with Wolfe Blitzer yesterday.
Please don’t pretend that you give a flying flip about a 3 year old Iraqi girl. You would be behind the war effort if you had any compassion for Iraqis. Saddam had child prisons in Baghdad with children as young as 5 year olds who would now be 8 year olds if the US didn’t intervene. Where’s the outrage about the tens of thousands of children who died under Saddam that were either brutal or becuase of neglect? Human Rights Watch reported that as many as 400,000 children (from infancy to 13) died during the duration of Saddam’s reign. Why? Saddam was taking kickbacks and bribes, funneling the U.N.’s Oil for Blood, I mean, Oil for Food money which was intended for innoculations and childhood vaccinations and using it to line his sinks in gold.
What about them? Do you blame Saddam? How about the U.N.? Nah, let’s blame BUSH and the MARINES.
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:17 pm
“That’s the girl’s dorm at Our Lady of the Lake School for Girls in Pleasantville, CO.”
And your point is?
“By the way you do seam to have a lot of time on your hands for an Air Man in Colorodo.”
You mean because I make four posts on an Internet board within the span of four days? They do give us time off, you know.
“Another thing. Are you guys not tought civility by any chance? Let me be clear. I am insulting you because that is the way you treat people in this blog.”
I see. So pointing out the intellectually lazy nature of the posters’ “chickenhawk” comments on this board is insulting, but barfly’s blatantly homophobic and childish retorts are perfectly reasonable and logical. Thanks for clearing that up. If barfly(and yourself) wish to engage in a rational discussion, I’m perfectly capable of such–note my response to Carter above. Which do you wish to participate in, gil? I can do both.
“If it is true that you are an Air Man in Colorado and your superior officer(s) find out that you are giving room #’s and Building #’s over the internet and inviting strangers to go there and fight you, the only thing you will find yourself fighting is your expulsion.”
1)When did I ever say I was going to fight barfly? Read above, and you will see he said he would come down to fight me. I merely pointed out where I am and he’s welcome to visit–it’s up to barfly if he is going to make good on his very clear threat to commit a crime, and I think we both know he has more common sense that that.
2)If I thought there was ANY danger whatsoever of anyone coming out to do me harm, I wouldn’t have mentioned it. Where I live is public information and not classified or FOUO, so the worst that could happen is my NCOIC will laugh at a blowhard telling me on the internet he’s going to come down from California and kick my ass. Thank you for your concern though.
May 22nd, 2006 at 5:15 pm
Jean Rohe
One of my most loyal readers, Rick, commented on my post applauding for Jean Rohe’s speech at her graduation from the New School. He expressed his outrage at Ms. Rohe’s venom, and mocked the left, saying you heckle while we
May 22nd, 2006 at 6:12 pm
Murtha is a politicion, they are all born with foot in mouth disease, but the situation points out, too few troops in country. Time to reinstate the DRAFT. We can’t, in good conscience, keep asking the same people to throw down for us with no way out. Time for EVERYBODY to pay out THE BLOOD as well as treasure.
May 23rd, 2006 at 8:49 am
I came to this article from another site, prepared not to like what I read, and got what I expected. Hey, a libertarian and Marine Corps infantry veteran just doesn’t have much in common with the average, or even above-average conservative chickenhawk.
However, I also got more than I expected — it’s refreshing to see the comment thread left open even when the blogger is being dragged over hot coals in it. At least CC seems to have some courage of conviction/intestinal fortitude.
So: Bad CC … baaaaad CC (thump of rolled-up newspaper) … but thanks for taking the beating without peeing on the floor and running under the bed.
May 24th, 2006 at 7:51 am
Amy Procter,
> What about them? Do you blame Saddam? How
> about the U.N.? Nah, let’s blame BUSH and > > the MARINES.
Are you really this stupid? Did Iraqis ask you to come and help them? WTF would they trust US? Since you are not an Iraqi, STFU. Perhaps, North Korea should come and plunder this country so that perhaps Gays cannot be discriminated. Iraqis have full right to do whatever they want against the invaders(that would be US and its minions). I am sure I would do the same to whoever invaded my country and slaughtered my famile *regardelss* of if Bush/SH is my President.
We went there for WMDs. Iraqis were and are not our concern, regardless of what your tiny brain tells you.
There is little wonder that middles east hates the Americans. Its common sense for every one except the dodos living here.
And yes, God must be blessing America as people like you continue to exist.
May 26th, 2006 at 8:27 am
Turns out Murtha appears to have been right.
May 26th, 2006 at 11:28 am
California Con: It is you, dear sir, who is the liar. You should be frog-marched and remanded to jail. No bail for you!
May 26th, 2006 at 11:36 am
Ahem…
Military to Report Marines Killed Iraqi Civilians
Care to respond, or will you just hope it goes away?
May 26th, 2006 at 2:58 pm
[...] When Murtha made his statements last week, there were outraged shrieks from the usual sources on the radical fringes. “John Murtha, Traitor”, shouted one blogger, while another said, “John Murtha hanging the Marines!” Their objection? Such criticism might undermine the troops in Iraq. [...]
May 26th, 2006 at 4:06 pm
Haditha and the Hell of War
Last week, Rep. Murtha made statements about an investigation into murders of civilians by US Marines in Haditha, Iraq (Army Times): The Marine Corps originally claimed that a convoy from the Camp Pendleton, Calif.-based Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1s…
May 26th, 2006 at 4:34 pm
Speaking as a non-American citizen, I honestly think what Murtha did was a good thing.
Quite a few people here fall under the lines of this argument, that thousands of people and children were imprisoned, tortured and killed under Sadams regime. In which case the American Haditha incident is relatively not so big a deal, and by that, a cover-up would be justified to protect marine lives.
I personally think that by having men like Murtha pushing the government to be more transparent and open, allows for two things. Foremost to demonstrate to the rest of the non-democratic world the effectiveness of democracy in allowing itself to be self critical, and to correct its own evils… even in serious war situations. That the principles of democracy allow America to recognize its mistakes when they happen,hold people accountable, and try to lower the chances of freak incidences such as this from happening again.
Aside from being good PR as a good “democracy for dummies” guide to some developing nations (actions speak louder then words), it would also allow America as a whole to educate itself. By stifiling information such as this, you do more damage then good, you stagnate thought and debate, byy controlling what truths you reveal and what you don’t…. Don’t just preach transparency, practice it, and others will follow!
May 26th, 2006 at 6:04 pm
Mo, The Murtha thing wasn’t really necessary because an investigation had already been started. Once that was finished, we would’ve publicized what they found & what punishments were given the Marines. That’s what happened after the Abu Ghraib incident.
Murtha wasn’t thinking about what people around the world thought. He was trying simply to make cheap political points. There’s nothing exemplary about that.
May 27th, 2006 at 2:46 am
Thanks for replying Gary. Since you used the Abu Ghuraib incident as a point of reference I guess I should lay out my argument around that.
Abu Ghuraib was a testing time for the American military, and truly did a lot to damage their regional credibility and empower insurgents by confirming a lot of fears moderate Muslims in the region had towards the military presence in Iraq. That is that people were getting tortured, inhumanly, and regardless if it was relatively better then what was happening under Sadam, it was still terrible. No less, America, which had for several decades preached itself as being the point of emulation in democracy, had demonstrated it too was prone to weakness and disregard to the same human rights conventions it brings other countries to point with all the time.
Now this could easily have been written off as a freak incident that shouldn’t happen, nor should be the norm. But the problem was that the American regime, as well as the people, somewhat sanctioned the incident. By only trying and prosecuting low-ranking officials directly implicit in the actions, and not going further up the food chain, it made the whole fiasco look like the U.S. was fine with pushing a couple of scapegoats through, to make the crimes that were being committed look like a once-in-a-while incident, of which, the people involved were tried. It was immediately clear to a lot of people though that the puck didn’t stop at these low level prison guards and interrogators, but rather (as subsequent torture and kidnapping cases were brought up against America) that this was given a ‘thumbs up’ by the top brass, who were pretending not to notice what was going on, by sanctioning illicit means of torture through vague wording… or for that matter, dropping the Geneva conventions entirely.
What made matters worse, is that even the people who were actually investigated, prosecuted and jailed only received slaps on the wrist. Take for example the man who sicked dogs on prisoners… he was given six months. I don’t care how you justify it, I know you are in a war situation, but you should not let that be a justification (as it is often used by the current regime) for criminal activity and disregard for international law and human rights. In a way, by doing so you give a green light to states around the world to act similarly… and you also demonstrate that half-assed investigations and half-assed jail sentences, combined with a media blanket, can go a long way to justifying criminal activity… its like saying… ‘do it until you get caught, when/if you do, throw in a couple of low rankers, and give them short sentences… then announce to the world and your public that Democracy has prevailed and criminals were brought to justice†Six months jail time for sicking dogs on people?? How about people being thrown in jail for a joint? I had a cousin who got 3 years crossing from Canada to the U.S., he had mistakenly forgotten a joint was in a pocket of his from a party the night before, and got caught at the border…. Now lets balance this out… Marijuana joint = 3 years… Sicking dogs on defenceless people = 6 months. I don’t care how you justify that… its just wrong.
Gary, what Murtha did may have just been “trying to make cheap political points.†But as far as I’m concerned, if it encourages a more diligent and thought out investigation into the matter, rather then another shoddy Abu Ghuraib scolding, then I’m all for it, and I think you should be too… Then again I only used Abu Ghuraib because you did, I actually would argue that the two are highly different incidents, whereas in this one it looks more or less like an isolated incident, and civilians were killed, Ghuraib was something that was more pervasive, involving war detainees. The similarity being that the U.S. government is investigating this case too. Since civilians are involved the proceedings should be highly critical of the people involved and under no circumstances can be slaps-on-the-wrist, lest you start pushing more moderates away, and give states around the world a basis for legitimizing their own military disasters.
- Sorry about this being long, If you actually read it, I hope it was insightfull enough. Again I am not an American and I think at best, I can only provide an outsiders view of the situation.
May 27th, 2006 at 8:56 am
Is Murtha trying to “score cheap political points …”
… or does he just realize that America needs someone CREDIBLE (which, as a retired Marine colonel and combat veteran he is in this particular context) and take RESPONSIBILITY for the conduct of America’s troops?
The president and vice-president won’t do it, and couldn’t if they wanted to … deserters and draft-dodgers, rightly or wrongly, just aren’t taken seriously in that role.
It’s up to people like McCain and Murtha to be able to credibly say “we’ve been there, and here’s what needs to be understood.” That applies whether they are defending US troops who are being wrongly slammed, or admitting that some troops do, indeed, sometimes become murderous shitbirds.
May 27th, 2006 at 9:51 am
Yo, dudes. There’s more than one marine traitor that needs hangin’! Looks like Benedict-Murtha has tainted some Sempre Fi with his lies:
“Military investigators have since uncovered a far different set of facts from what was first reported, partly aided by marines who are cooperating with the inquiry and partly guided by reports filed by a separate unit that arrived to gather intelligence and document the attack; Pentagon officials said”
Un-cool!
May 27th, 2006 at 11:13 am
‘Dude’ You call them traitors and demand they be hung, I call them defenders of democracy and say they should be commended….
You live in a democracy, and I live under a corrupt system of secretarian power sharing.
Just speaking from practical experience living here… we yearn for people like murtha, military and government officals that are not afraid to speak out against the government demanding transparency…. It scares me that some of you people defend the same cover up and slander tactics that our ruling elites do every day.
Honestly…
May 27th, 2006 at 5:19 pm
“Latest pack of lies”
So…will there be an apology forthcoming?
May 27th, 2006 at 6:44 pm
THIS STUPID REPUBLICAN WAR, THE KILLINGS SHOW JUST HOW ILL PLANNED IT WAS FROM THE START, PEOPLE THAT TRIED TO TELL RUMSFELD IT WOULD TAKE A LOT MORE TROOPS TO OCCUPY IRAQ WERE IQNORED AND MOVED OUT, THE 3 STOOGES, BUSH, CHENEY, ROVE HAVE COST THE U.S DEARLY WITH THEIR DUMB IGNORANCE, LOOK AT THE WAY THEY TWISTED EVERY THING TO MAKE EXCUSES TO JUMP RIGHT IN, BECAUSE OF THE BUSH REPUBLICANS , WE ARE LESS THAN WE WERE
May 27th, 2006 at 6:49 pm
LOOK AT HOW ALL THE CHICKEN SHIT REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO SMEAR MURTHA, THE TRUTH EVIDENTLY DOESNT MATTER TO THEM, PEOPLE IF YOU DONT HAVE THE TRUTH, YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING, I THINK THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO TAKE BIGGEST PART OF THE BLAME FOR ALL THE STUPID THINGS HAPPENING IN IRAQ,
May 27th, 2006 at 7:17 pm
Yo, moclippa dude, get with the “irony” program.
HARD FOR THE SILENT MAJORITY TO REFUTE, EYEWITNESS TO MURDER — BUT THEY WILL. ALIENS DID IT. OSAMA DID IT. JOHN KERRY DID IT.
May 27th, 2006 at 9:49 pm
Hah dude, the “irony” program…
Then again I’m not entirely sure what you were on about for the rest of your post… I think Osamas been quite forth coming about acknowledging his murder…
Kerry and Aliens? I know Kerry sort of looks like an Alien… and I think I’ve worn my DVD of Aliens 1 out… but I fail to really see what your on about with them refuting eyewitnesses to murder…. could you please post links up to back your claims if you are going to be vauge when you post claims up? I genuinly want to understand how you were able to come up with a link between Osama, Aliens and Kerry…. its absolutly mind boggling!
May 28th, 2006 at 6:47 am
“I predict that this will be the dominant news story for the next week.”
Gary, it looks like this statement is the only thing you were right about. Murtha isn’t guilty of betraying the soldiers of the U.S.M.C., but those soldiers that are found guilty (and hopefully their commanders who tried to hide this) are guilty of betraying the U.S.M.C.
May 30th, 2006 at 4:52 am
Amy Proctor: I fail to understand why we should consider Saddam Hussein as we evaluate this situation. If your goal is to be as good as or better than the former Iraqi dictator, then why bother with any standard of behavior?
May 30th, 2006 at 5:01 am
This post and the ensuring ravings show why conservatives are dangerous, and unhinged. Murtha simply reported a true story, and crazed chickenhawks stampede for his execution.
So California Conservative: Are you going to apologize to Murtha?
May 30th, 2006 at 3:30 pm
Any of you keyboard warrior, Marine wannabes want to hang or frog march Rep Kaine (R) MN (retired Marine) about his
“treanous” statment?
If you think this war is so noble you (republican chicken hawks) should get out of mom’s basement and go sign up at the recruters office . Now that major combat operations are over maybe you could go door to door handing out bibles. One things for sure, you’re not qualified to carry Murtha’s or Klien’s jock strap.
George
USN 1971-1975
May 30th, 2006 at 6:56 pm
Blow it out your rear you blowhard. Murtha can say whatever he wants and there is nothing that you Bush kiss asses can say about it. Eat tripe and live, you piece of crap.
June 1st, 2006 at 5:48 am
Hey all you heros out there,
It’s people like Mertha who lost the VN war for us. Give him some more face time on TV and he can lose this one for us, too. I think it’s time for him to sit down and shut his wiener hole. So a few civilians were killed/murdered in Iraq. What the fuck do you think war is? It’s mass murder sanctioned by a government which can not peacably solve a situation. I don’t like this war either but if you are going to have a war, then have a goddamn war and get over with!! For example; Abu Grahb and the dog collar? Shitttt, I would have sent nude pictures to his Iraqi mother of him (the prisoner) and the dog on their honeymoon. Haditha? Anything in the house was fair game. Anything within rifle range is fair game. Torture? You bet, if it saves only one American life. Black and Decker stock would skyrocket if I was participating.
I (a “chicken hawk”) voted for the dumb SOB who presently occupies the number one shit house in Washington DC and I’m not proud it. But at least he has balls. Mertha has gonads and wears his underwear backwards. It’s time for him to go sit with the women.
Yeah, I did a year in the central highlands 66-67. I have a letter of appreciation and a good conduct medal.
I feel that 90% of what I have read on this blog is from the VN cry baby vets you see on TV documenteries. If I see one more purple heart on a license plate I’m gonna puke.
What I have written here is for “chicken hawks ” and “demonrats”, alike. Glad I got that off my chest.
Dixie Dick
June 8th, 2006 at 10:19 am
[...] Whatever happened at Haditha — and Fallujah, and all the other horror spots — we bought it. We own it. It is the original sin of this generation of Americans, and by "generation" I mean every conscious, legally competent citizen of voting age in March 2003. When Congressman John Murtha — a pork-barreler extraordinaire by pre-K Street Project standards, but otherwise, to all appearances, an honorable and decent man — did the unbelievable and publicly acknowledged this fact, he was denounced as a traitor. [...]
June 16th, 2006 at 1:58 pm
Man, I thought it was the LIBERALS who couldn’t handle the truth. Murtha is a hero for speaking truth to idiots.
See this is what happens when the Right is caught with their pants down. Marines violate their command and shoot innocent civilians, and you go after Murtha? You sickening Chicken Hawks always want to shoot the messenger don’t you? See Mai Lai, March 16, 1968 . . .
July 10th, 2006 at 4:19 pm
Credit Card Fraud and Leftist Traitors
Five years ago my son’s credit cards were stolen. The reason no one prosecuted those crimes is the same reason Cindy Sheehan and other anti-war whores are not prosecuted for treason.
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July 27th, 2006 at 10:08 am
Proud to Be a Chickenhawk
Jeff Jacoby in the Boston Globe attacked the use of the epithet “chicken hawk.” But is it really an insult?
July 30th, 2006 at 7:59 am
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February 3rd, 2007 at 3:53 am
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September 10th, 2007 at 8:44 am
[...] Righties, of course, never cross lines. When they called former President Jimmy Carter a traitor, or when they called Senator John Kerry a traitor, or when they called Rep. Jack Murtha a traitor, that was entirely different. I don’t know why, but it was. [...]
December 3rd, 2007 at 3:27 am
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December 4th, 2007 at 10:55 am
The Marine Corps should strike John Murtha
from their rolls. remove his name from all
service records, and awards.
He is nothing but an embarassment to the
Corps and all the honorable men and women
who serve in uniform.
a foul traitor,(in my opinion)
December 11th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
As a former active Duty Marine, WIA, First Hill Battle, KheSanh “67″ may I say with pride Semper Fi to all real Americans on this site.
John “Benedict Arnold” Murtha couldn’t carry a canteen cup for these MEN and WOMEN serving in harms way for us. The dishonor Murtha has brought to the Corps with lies and false innuendo should cause the USMC to bring him back into the Corps and be tried for Conduct unbecoming and Officer. He should be stripped of rank and loss of pension. If possible should be charged with aiding and abetting a terrorist organization and in-prisoned. If there is a reason we politically lost VN it is because of scum like Murtha that LBJ promoted to lead. Semper Fi to all and RIP Lenoard Picanso, you are still remembered after all these years.