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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/hillary-vs-rudy/comment-page-1/#comment-564933</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, Rocky, y'all are always so fired up 'bout the "Swift Boaters" attacking a "verified hero."  I do suppose there's not another "Swift Boater" that ever got pinned, right?

Seems to me this is kinda like no one ever being able to attack that looney who lost her son because she has the moral high ground by her son's sacrifice, despite the fact that many of her attackers have also lost sons (and daughters).

Maybe the "moral high ground" on these issues is like everything else in looneys' lives:  relative?  Relative in the sense that if it agrees with your agenda and worldview, it's correct, but if it doesn't it's immoral?

When will the relativist kooks get it through their heads it's not "relative" that counts, it's "relevant".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Rocky, y&#8217;all are always so fired up &#8217;bout the &#8220;Swift Boaters&#8221; attacking a &#8220;verified hero.&#8221;  I do suppose there&#8217;s not another &#8220;Swift Boater&#8221; that ever got pinned, right?</p>
<p>Seems to me this is kinda like no one ever being able to attack that looney who lost her son because she has the moral high ground by her son&#8217;s sacrifice, despite the fact that many of her attackers have also lost sons (and daughters).</p>
<p>Maybe the &#8220;moral high ground&#8221; on these issues is like everything else in looneys&#8217; lives:  relative?  Relative in the sense that if it agrees with your agenda and worldview, it&#8217;s correct, but if it doesn&#8217;t it&#8217;s immoral?</p>
<p>When will the relativist kooks get it through their heads it&#8217;s not &#8220;relative&#8221; that counts, it&#8217;s &#8220;relevant&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: T. A. Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/hillary-vs-rudy/comment-page-1/#comment-564021</link>
		<dc:creator>T. A. Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way,  Swiftboat Vets never implied Kerry was a traitor, only a self aggrandizing phony who they saw as unfit to be President.

I spose your gonna say something about Bush's National Guard records now, I know you guys like to cut and paste, huh?

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way,  Swiftboat Vets never implied Kerry was a traitor, only a self aggrandizing phony who they saw as unfit to be President.</p>
<p>I spose your gonna say something about Bush&#8217;s National Guard records now, I know you guys like to cut and paste, huh?</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: T. A. Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/hillary-vs-rudy/comment-page-1/#comment-563896</link>
		<dc:creator>T. A. Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, so does this:

According to the March 10, 2004, Washington Post, "The Democratic 527 organizations have drawn support from some wealthy liberals determined to defeat Bush. They include financier George Soros who gave $1.46 million to MoveOn.org Voter Fund (in the form of matching funds to recruit additional small donors); Peter B. Lewis, chief executive of the Progressive Corp., who gave $500,000 to MoveOn.org Voter Fund; and Linda Pritzker, of the Hyatt hotel family, and her Sustainable World Corp., who gave $4 million to the joint fundraising committee." [20] 

So when are the Dems going to own up?

Not that Im holding my breath or anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, so does this:</p>
<p>According to the March 10, 2004, Washington Post, &#8220;The Democratic 527 organizations have drawn support from some wealthy liberals determined to defeat Bush. They include financier George Soros who gave $1.46 million to MoveOn.org Voter Fund (in the form of matching funds to recruit additional small donors); Peter B. Lewis, chief executive of the Progressive Corp., who gave $500,000 to MoveOn.org Voter Fund; and Linda Pritzker, of the Hyatt hotel family, and her Sustainable World Corp., who gave $4 million to the joint fundraising committee.&#8221; [20] </p>
<p>So when are the Dems going to own up?</p>
<p>Not that Im holding my breath or anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 03:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bob Perry, described by the Houston Chronicle last year as the single largest Texas donor to the Republican Party, contributed 4.5 million dollars [to the Swift Boat Vets]. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth/Funding" rel="nofollow"&gt;Sort of speaks for itself&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bob Perry, described by the Houston Chronicle last year as the single largest Texas donor to the Republican Party, contributed 4.5 million dollars [to the Swift Boat Vets]. </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth/Funding" rel="nofollow">Sort of speaks for itself</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: T. A. Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/hillary-vs-rudy/comment-page-1/#comment-563262</link>
		<dc:creator>T. A. Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaww! So, it's all because that s.o.b. Karl Rove huh?  Whose doing the whining now?

And thanks for pointing out yet another difference.  "Millions" is it?  As apposed to a few vets who raised their own money and ran their own ads without getting the special one time good deal from a freindly New York Times. 

Yes, please do run it again!  And again, and again.  Lets see how much that endears them to the American public, and remind them what a bunch of scum they really are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaww! So, it&#8217;s all because that s.o.b. Karl Rove huh?  Whose doing the whining now?</p>
<p>And thanks for pointing out yet another difference.  &#8220;Millions&#8221; is it?  As apposed to a few vets who raised their own money and ran their own ads without getting the special one time good deal from a freindly New York Times. </p>
<p>Yes, please do run it again!  And again, and again.  Lets see how much that endears them to the American public, and remind them what a bunch of scum they really are.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/hillary-vs-rudy/comment-page-1/#comment-563175</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the Swifters were a bunch of hysterics attacking a war hero, funded by a megalomaniac and coordinated -- illegally -- with the entire republican party, by saint Rove.  Not one republican denounced the Swifters, and yet you expect in this situation that a privately funded (by &lt;em&gt;millions&lt;/em&gt; of ordinary citizens, I might add) political action group should be denounced by anyone?  

I say again: funny how the republicans can dish it out, but can't take it.  

Can we post the ad again, please?  Let's make sure everyone sees it as much as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the Swifters were a bunch of hysterics attacking a war hero, funded by a megalomaniac and coordinated &#8212; illegally &#8212; with the entire republican party, by saint Rove.  Not one republican denounced the Swifters, and yet you expect in this situation that a privately funded (by <em>millions</em> of ordinary citizens, I might add) political action group should be denounced by anyone?  </p>
<p>I say again: funny how the republicans can dish it out, but can&#8217;t take it.  </p>
<p>Can we post the ad again, please?  Let&#8217;s make sure everyone sees it as much as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: WonkoBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hillary hits back</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/hillary-vs-rudy/comment-page-1/#comment-562721</link>
		<dc:creator>WonkoBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hillary hits back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hillary Clinton dominated all other candidates yesterday with 36% buzz share in Wonkosphere.  While conservative bloggers continued to discuss Rudy Giuliani&#8217;s ad yesterday criticizing her connection to the Petraeus ad (Giuliani has a new accompanying video), liberal bloggers were all chatting about Wes Clark&#8217;s endorsement of Clinton, &#8220;She will be a great leader for the United States of America and a great commander in chief for the men and women in uniform&#8221;.  Clark&#8217;s endorsement came at a perfect time&#8211;it appears to have driven down MSM attention to the MoveOn storyline.  Bookmark this post: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hillary Clinton dominated all other candidates yesterday with 36% buzz share in Wonkosphere.  While conservative bloggers continued to discuss Rudy Giuliani&#8217;s ad yesterday criticizing her connection to the Petraeus ad (Giuliani has a new accompanying video), liberal bloggers were all chatting about Wes Clark&#8217;s endorsement of Clinton, &#8220;She will be a great leader for the United States of America and a great commander in chief for the men and women in uniform&#8221;.  Clark&#8217;s endorsement came at a perfect time&#8211;it appears to have driven down MSM attention to the MoveOn storyline.  Bookmark this post: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: T. A. Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. A. Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nor was the entire Republican party kissing their ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nor was the entire Republican party kissing their ass.</p>
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		<title>By: T. A. Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/military/hillary-vs-rudy/comment-page-1/#comment-562109</link>
		<dc:creator>T. A. Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not even close.  S-boat vets were not a bunch of hysterics attacking an active duty officer they never served with or knew little about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not even close.  S-boat vets were not a bunch of hysterics attacking an active duty officer they never served with or knew little about.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 06:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do the Swift Boat Vets for Truth ring any bells?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the Swift Boat Vets for Truth ring any bells?</p>
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		<title>By: T. A. Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. A. Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't be surprised by Hillary's tepid playbook response.  Nary a one of these clowns; Obama, Pretty boy, Kucinich and the others are going to even answer why they aren't denouncing Moveon.org.  

Thats because Move On is carrying the water for them.  They are doing the dirtytricks  so they can all stay above it and act like its nothing.

The trade off, of course, is that they have to tacitly toe the radical screaming socialist line, until the election at least.   

The plus side is that Americans who are paying any attention at all are seeing all the half assed excuse for answers, and if its one thing Americans want to hear from its candidates, its straight answers, which they are not getting on this kind of crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised by Hillary&#8217;s tepid playbook response.  Nary a one of these clowns; Obama, Pretty boy, Kucinich and the others are going to even answer why they aren&#8217;t denouncing Moveon.org.  </p>
<p>Thats because Move On is carrying the water for them.  They are doing the dirtytricks  so they can all stay above it and act like its nothing.</p>
<p>The trade off, of course, is that they have to tacitly toe the radical screaming socialist line, until the election at least.   </p>
<p>The plus side is that Americans who are paying any attention at all are seeing all the half assed excuse for answers, and if its one thing Americans want to hear from its candidates, its straight answers, which they are not getting on this kind of crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating the way republicans have seized upon the MoveOn.org ad, and wondered why none of the Democratic candidates have distanced themselves from the effort.  Surely, these intelligent people are aware of the swatting they're taking from the likes of Fox Noise and the rightwingnuts; I guess the question is really, why are they not taking the bait?

Could it be that the country &lt;em&gt;agrees&lt;/em&gt; with MoveOn and Hillary?  With conditions on the ground &lt;a href="http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/337/index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;so&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smQKqIoeDyM" rel="nofollow"&gt;diametrically&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/14/keeping-them-honest-michael-ware-on-bushs-definition-of-an-ordinary-life-in-iraq/#more-21349" rel="nofollow"&gt;opposed &lt;/a&gt; to what the Bush cabal claims (and with a history of being wrong on every count, that's no stretch), the people -- at least 70% of them -- have come to the conclusion that the Iraq War was a mistake and we need to get out.  Even the military, historically the republican's purview, is &lt;a href="http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/12874.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;shifting to the Democrats&lt;/a&gt;.

Nevertheless, I agree that MoveOn's ad is the gift that keeps on giving.  There is no way that MoveOn could have ever afforded the widespread coverage of the ad that it has received, and we all know that it is repetition in advertising that makes it work.  If only you could post images in the comments section... 

Could you post the ad again, please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating the way republicans have seized upon the MoveOn.org ad, and wondered why none of the Democratic candidates have distanced themselves from the effort.  Surely, these intelligent people are aware of the swatting they&#8217;re taking from the likes of Fox Noise and the rightwingnuts; I guess the question is really, why are they not taking the bait?</p>
<p>Could it be that the country <em>agrees</em> with MoveOn and Hillary?  With conditions on the ground <a href="http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/337/index.html" rel="nofollow">so</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smQKqIoeDyM" rel="nofollow">diametrically</a> <a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/14/keeping-them-honest-michael-ware-on-bushs-definition-of-an-ordinary-life-in-iraq/#more-21349" rel="nofollow">opposed </a> to what the Bush cabal claims (and with a history of being wrong on every count, that&#8217;s no stretch), the people &#8212; at least 70% of them &#8212; have come to the conclusion that the Iraq War was a mistake and we need to get out.  Even the military, historically the republican&#8217;s purview, is <a href="http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/12874.html" rel="nofollow">shifting to the Democrats</a>.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I agree that MoveOn&#8217;s ad is the gift that keeps on giving.  There is no way that MoveOn could have ever afforded the widespread coverage of the ad that it has received, and we all know that it is repetition in advertising that makes it work.  If only you could post images in the comments section&#8230; </p>
<p>Could you post the ad again, please?</p>
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		<title>By: John Houghton</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Houghton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moveon will soon be moving on if the Dems keep supporting (or at least not denouncing) them.  I will just sit back and watch the meltdown with extreme joy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moveon will soon be moving on if the Dems keep supporting (or at least not denouncing) them.  I will just sit back and watch the meltdown with extreme joy.</p>
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