nice logic #25, unless these liberals are willing to do away with logic and critical thinking and back an unjust war they don’t believe in, they don’t deserve to be Americans

Until you have looked down the business end of an AK, or held a buddies’ guts or brains in your hands, you have no IDEA what you are talking about. Using kids as explosive platforms plays on our western notion that children are innocents, when in fact, children are apprentice jihadi, learning the trade on the job.

Pull your head out and pay attention. It’s dark and stinky giving yourself a colonoscopy using only your own body.

No, Lt Calley and was tried and convicted by a court martial. There’s no doubt about what happened at My Lai.

Lazerlou: “It is you bizzaro people who are so hell-bent on coing up with any justification or mitigating circumstances. We know enough now to know crimes were committed and inncoent children dies senselessly.”

No, we do not know enough. Not yet.
You guys are jumping the gun, convicting before you have all the facts. The investigation hasn’t been released yet, charges haven’t been filed, you are relying on some anonymous leaks to come to your conclusions.

No, there will not be a reaons for it, unless they were armed and threatening troops at the time they are killed. And 88 year old grandfathers in wheel chairs? Unarmed praying men? How about them? There are plenty of facts out now. This happend and it was unjustified.

It is idiots like you people who really endanger our country - people unwilling to admit we make mistakes, people who grasp at straws to justify murder. People who think our military can do no wrong, and try to rationalize it when they do commit crimes against humanity. It makes me sick. Shame on all of you.

While we can’t imagine such a ghastly idea here in the U.S., throughout the radical Muslim regions within the Middle East, children are being groomed for terrorism and violence. As we pointed to yesterday, sometimes they throw rocks, other times grenades.

If we discover that our troops killed kids, might there be a reason for it? Should we not give them the benefit of the doubt? They’ve earned that and then some.

Or will anti-military, anti-America activists succeed at sensationalizing every negative report, and portray our military as cold-blood killers? The facts suggest that this description is more appropriate for describing the enemies we’re fighting against.

Nor is anything said by either side going to change any opinions among the commenters.

And absent any truly new ground - even the silent audience isn’t getting anything new.

I say pack it in on this post and wait for the next round.

I’m honestly confused about what seems to be so clearly stated here. Amy is not saying that killing innocent women and children is okay, nor is she saying that small children deserve to die if they are being used by insurgents.

As a side issue, she’s saying that having small children working for the enemy can cloud the battlefield, leading to children’s accidental deaths at the hands of coalition forces.

But her primary point is that since we don’t yet know the details, the entire event could be a setup by the insugents/terrorists. It is not unknown for insurgents/terrorists to kill civilians and blame it on the Americans, so that’s theoretically possible here. I (unfortunately) think that’s unlikely in this case, but certainly not impossible.

As to those of you who say you know “what she really means,” I’m thinking you should be able to find quite the career in mind-reading.

Well that may be true as a matter of law, but not as a matter of common sense. It is ok to assume guilt where there are no other explanations.

I can only imagine what those troops go through. When people are appauled at their actions it is not as much a condemnation of them as it is the war as a whole. Stuff like this happens all the time in war and it is a tragedy. That is the whole point.

It is you bizzaro people who are so hell-bent on coing up with any justification or mitigating circumstances. We know enough now to know crimes were committed and inncoent children dies senselessly. Lets not equivocate here. You don’t always need to wait for a guilty verdict to know a crime and an atrocity has been committed.

What you need to do is put youself in the shoes of a child who wathces his house get invaded and his whole family murdered, shot in the head, in front of his eyes. Y’all seem to have a big problem doing that and calling it morally reprehensible.

War sucks. Looking for mitigating excuses for Marines who lose their shit and go on a killing spree is itself morally suspect. Time to statr admitting that this war is a serious problem and that a gurilla war with no end is going on there. That is the first step, not equivocation for atrocities.

I’m sure it is -just like it’s “possible” that Lt. Calley and his men were just cleaning their rifles at My Lai when they went off…

Are you trying to be funny when you write this kind of offal or are you really that stupid?

“ ‘This in no way excuses the Marines’ actions, if indeed they did kill unarmed civilians.’

I guess a lot of folks skipped reading that sentence. Sheesh…”

No, it’s just that most of us are familiar enough with that kind of nixon-like Freudian slip that we notice. Just as you don’t have to see the rat in the baseboards.

Now, humor me on something here. It doesn’t matter whether you agree with the war or not, just put yourself in a marines shoes. You see death every day, you feel fear that most men and women never know. All in the name of freedom for the people of Iraq. It’s basic psychology, they are going to want to protect those people, why? To make their cause valid. So that in their minds, their friends never died in vain. Please, if you are reading this, just wait and see how it plays out, before you decide to condemn those guys.

And even if you did, I ask you this: what is the point of this post if it is not intended to be a moral equivocation, an apology, and excuse for killing women and children and elderly men in wheelchairs? What is the purpose of advancing this “theory”? There is only one answer: it is meant as a moral justification, or at least equivocation, or else there would be no reason to post about such speculative facts.

What happend ther is no longer subject to much reasonable doubt if you read the paper.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves and should get yourselves back to church or where ever it is you derive your sense of morality. Shame.

I guess a lot of folks skipped reading that sentence. Sheesh…

I was thinking about the insurgent set-up angle, too. I wonder how in-depth the investigation will turn out to be, i.e. did they check the caliber of the rounds used to kill these folks? Were they able to even examine the bodies, given religious scruples and whatnot, or did the investigators have to rely on photos and videos?

Liberals want nothing more than for everyone to stop killing and being killed. We do not want to see America lose or our troops defeated. We just want a senseless war to stop.

It is scary how out of control the executive branch and the pentagon have become. True conservatives should be frightened of the centralization of power by this administration.

It is not we who have ‘Bush Derangement Syndrome’ it is you who pathologically can’t admit fault or conceive of the fact that war is ugly and mistakes have been made.

Thanks for being gracious.

*I edited the comment.. I should have known when you signed off “Respects”…

Amy, I think you got Gwedd confused with someone else, or just read too hastily.

Anyone talking about ‘Bush Derangement Syndrome’ on the part of lefties is on *your* side.

I am at a loss to understand your comments. I am in complete agreement with you. My comments are directed towards those who were attacking you because you suggested that there might be something altogether different than what we were told.

I agree that I don’t know what went on there, and it’s certainly best to wait for the actual investigation report to be published, which it will.

My point is that if the report doesn’t completely agree with what the leftists are demanding it says, than it will be labeled a “cover up”. The truth of what happened, regardless of what happened, will not appease the left unless it paints everyone involved in the worst possible light.

You have a good site. I wish you well with it, and hope to come back often, because you have a good take on things.

Respects,

Gwedd

I’m a military wife (repeat) for 13 years. My husband is always assigned to military units.. 101st, 4th ED, 82nd ABN, 2nd ID… and this DOES NOT GO ON IN THE MILITARY.

Abu Ghraib was a bunch of Reservists and the main offender a renegade who was trouble for commanders from the get go. He’s in jail. So is the ugly England lady (yet another good reason women should not be in the military).

The more information comes out about this,the less convinced I am that is it as liberals hope and pray it to be. They WANT civilians to be killed at the hands of Marines. It makes them feel better about themselves. Check out what a CNN embedded reporter said about her shock regarding this incident, because she was embedded with them and saw NOTHING RESEMBLING WHAT THEY ARE BEING ACCUSSED OF;

Read CNN report

I have the video and its more compelling because you can hear the disbelief in her voice. I’ll try to post it.

But why would a liberal believe an embedded reporter or the troops? Much more convinient to believe the opposite despite what boots on the ground report.

And WATCH THIS VIDEO first exposed here on California Conservative. All Iraqi kids are sweet and innocent? Have any of you libs BEEN to Iraq? Didn’t think so:

http://www.filecabi.net/video/sticksandstones.html

And check out the testimony of the Marine who sat beside the Marine who lost his life to that IED:

See video at HotAir

He talks about how children are used in the war against the US.

Interesting theory.

To all of you who have been blasting Amy, consider this: IT IS A THEORY. It is a possible explination for what happened in Haditha. Our Marines have a little more common sense than to just randomly pick out a house and blow everybody away. Although possible, I find it very hard to believe that an entire group of trained, professional American Marines would just randomly pick a house to raid and kill everyone inside. They must have had some reason to believe that someone in that house had carnal knowledge about the IED explosion earlier that day.

Whether or not that knowledge justified the killings is yet to be determined. Like Amy, I find it disturbing and puzzling and I want to know the truth about the raid.

Let the Marine Corps handle this investigation and let the chips fall as they may when it’s all said and done. There may have been a crime committed here, which is why the investigation is on-going and charges may result. That’s what makes our military so great- they take care of their own… ESPECIALLY the ones who screw up.

Actually, the “grasping at straws” is being done by those most afflicted with BDS, “Bush Derangement Syndrome”. It is beyond their little minds to comprehend facts and thesis which in any way diverge from their own pre-conceived notions and assumptions.

You see, Haditha represents the very core of their beliefs, that all Americans are racist xenophobic imperialists, and it is the brass ring they have been dreaming of, another way to compare, however falsly, Iraq to Vietnam. As if….

That the facts may prove the story different from their beliefs is unacceptable. Their minds are closed to any other possibility other than the one they want.

The letists, with their cute little ad hominen attacks, simply don’t know any better. They can’t help themselves and are more to be pitied than attacked.

Keep up the good work sister, and thanks to your family for all the sacrifices you have made on behalf of all of us.

Respects,

Gwedd

I was getting myself all worked up again over the MSM coverage of the Haditha incident. When I got home from work and turned the news on the little news people were explaining how the ‘troubling situationÂ’ has shaken the government all the way up to …

President Bush promised on Wednesday that any Marines involved in the alleged murders of Iraqi civil