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	<title>Comments on: San Francisco: Mecca For Homosexuals, Subversives, Indigents, And Illegals</title>
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		<title>By: Fred Arai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Arai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opposite to  popular belief, skin care products cannot make your unwanted lines disappear just like that. skin care products are an ideal option for many. Of course, that does not mean that if your skin is not where you want it to be that there is no hope for you. Your best bet is to gain more understanding through research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opposite to  popular belief, skin care products cannot make your unwanted lines disappear just like that. skin care products are an ideal option for many. Of course, that does not mean that if your skin is not where you want it to be that there is no hope for you. Your best bet is to gain more understanding through research.</p>
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		<title>By: utah Dental</title>
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		<dc:creator>utah Dental</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is really interesting. It provided me some ideas and I'll be posting them on my web site shortly. I'm bookmarking your blog and I'll be back again. Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is really interesting. It provided me some ideas and I&#8217;ll be posting them on my web site shortly. I&#8217;m bookmarking your blog and I&#8217;ll be back again. Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;San Francisco Values&#8221; and Site Seeing at Conservative Times--Republican GOP news source.</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/san-francisco-mecca-for-homosexuals-subversives-indigents-and-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-339734</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;San Francisco Values&#8221; and Site Seeing at Conservative Times--Republican GOP news source.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 23:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bad idea? It&#8217;s the truth. City politics is not just anti-America, but anti-military, anti-business, anti-family and anti-anything that represent common sense. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bad idea? It&#8217;s the truth. City politics is not just anti-America, but anti-military, anti-business, anti-family and anti-anything that represent common sense. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: California Conservative &#187; &#8220;San Francisco Values&#8221; and Site Seeing</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/san-francisco-mecca-for-homosexuals-subversives-indigents-and-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-339728</link>
		<dc:creator>California Conservative &#187; &#8220;San Francisco Values&#8221; and Site Seeing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 23:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bad idea? It&#8217;s the truth. City politics is not just anti-America, but anti-military, anti-business, anti-family and anti-anything that represent common sense. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bad idea? It&#8217;s the truth. City politics is not just anti-America, but anti-military, anti-business, anti-family and anti-anything that represent common sense. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: California Conservative &#187; 83-Year Old German Immigrant Deported</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/san-francisco-mecca-for-homosexuals-subversives-indigents-and-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-265663</link>
		<dc:creator>California Conservative &#187; 83-Year Old German Immigrant Deported</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In any case, America is now free from one little old lady living in San Francisco. The threat is over. Justice, as some may say, has been served. It&#8217;s just too bad the City won&#8217;t do anything about the crimes of this century. These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In any case, America is now free from one little old lady living in San Francisco. The threat is over. Justice, as some may say, has been served. It&#8217;s just too bad the City won&#8217;t do anything about the crimes of this century. These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 04:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you say Soddom and Gohmorra?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you say Soddom and Gohmorra?</p>
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		<title>By: California Conservative</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/san-francisco-mecca-for-homosexuals-subversives-indigents-and-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-229491</link>
		<dc:creator>California Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every right blog has its troll. &lt;i&gt;Stop Bush!&lt;/i&gt; is ours. He/she is so pathetic that even this slight acknowledgement will be lapped up like desperately craved recognition.

The underlying point of this post is SF's attractiveness to moonbats. Stop Bush! kindly serves as example. 

The aspect about socialized healthcare - which has been discussed in other posts - is secondary to the fact that Mayor Newsom and the Stupes are showing blatant &lt;i&gt;en flagrante&lt;/i&gt; disregard for the laws by rewarding illegal aliens at taxpayer's expense.

Finally, if there's any doubt that offering something for free is an incentive for people to take advantage of it, maybe we should charge for the next troll to comment. That might reduce the waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every right blog has its troll. <i>Stop Bush!</i> is ours. He/she is so pathetic that even this slight acknowledgement will be lapped up like desperately craved recognition.</p>
<p>The underlying point of this post is SF&#8217;s attractiveness to moonbats. Stop Bush! kindly serves as example. </p>
<p>The aspect about socialized healthcare - which has been discussed in other posts - is secondary to the fact that Mayor Newsom and the Stupes are showing blatant <i>en flagrante</i> disregard for the laws by rewarding illegal aliens at taxpayer&#8217;s expense.</p>
<p>Finally, if there&#8217;s any doubt that offering something for free is an incentive for people to take advantage of it, maybe we should charge for the next troll to comment. That might reduce the waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 04:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I live in Oaktown.  I didn't say free healthcare "will draw" illegals, I said it will provide "an incentive" to illegals "to become residents in The Shitty."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I live in Oaktown.  I didn&#8217;t say free healthcare &#8220;will draw&#8221; illegals, I said it will provide &#8220;an incentive&#8221; to illegals &#8220;to become residents in The Shitty.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stop Bush!</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/san-francisco-mecca-for-homosexuals-subversives-indigents-and-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-228244</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop Bush!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another brainiac joins the fray!  Erik, what, exactly, will draw the illegals to SF?  Would it be the high cost of living, or is it the great benefits of living here, including the already free healthcare to the homeless?  Oh wait, &lt;a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/02/15/MNGTKBB73I1.DTL" rel="nofollow"&gt;the homeless population has plummeted&lt;/a&gt; due to Newsom's &lt;em&gt;Care Not Cash&lt;/em&gt; program, showing that SF seems to know how to do something right... 

Such programs are counterintuitive.  But in the long run, they save money, resulting in higher profits for business.  You'd think the theoCONs would like universal healthcare, helping all embryos grow into human beings.  But then again, that would mean spending a few bucks on somebody other than yourself.  Besides, the theoCONs don't give a hoot about you once you're out of the womb.

It's obvious you don't live here in the city.  Let's keep it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another brainiac joins the fray!  Erik, what, exactly, will draw the illegals to SF?  Would it be the high cost of living, or is it the great benefits of living here, including the already free healthcare to the homeless?  Oh wait, <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/02/15/MNGTKBB73I1.DTL" rel="nofollow">the homeless population has plummeted</a> due to Newsom&#8217;s <em>Care Not Cash</em> program, showing that SF seems to know how to do something right&#8230; </p>
<p>Such programs are counterintuitive.  But in the long run, they save money, resulting in higher profits for business.  You&#8217;d think the theoCONs would like universal healthcare, helping all embryos grow into human beings.  But then again, that would mean spending a few bucks on somebody other than yourself.  Besides, the theoCONs don&#8217;t give a hoot about you once you&#8217;re out of the womb.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s obvious you don&#8217;t live here in the city.  Let&#8217;s keep it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/san-francisco-mecca-for-homosexuals-subversives-indigents-and-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-228231</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Illegal immigrants in the Arizona desert relate to San Francisco’s health-care proposal because the latter will provide an incentive to the former, as well as illegal immigrants anywhere in the country, to become residents in The Shitty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegal immigrants in the Arizona desert relate to San Francisco’s health-care proposal because the latter will provide an incentive to the former, as well as illegal immigrants anywhere in the country, to become residents in The Shitty.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/san-francisco-mecca-for-homosexuals-subversives-indigents-and-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-227897</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're right!  Universal health care for all is a wicked, and terrible idea!!!  We must protect the sanctity of paralysis and disease!
I'd like to see you tell a gay person to his face some of the things you write on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right!  Universal health care for all is a wicked, and terrible idea!!!  We must protect the sanctity of paralysis and disease!<br />
I&#8217;d like to see you tell a gay person to his face some of the things you write on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am i missing something here. What is wrong with free health care for all. you have just posted that it is wrong. With out saying why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am i missing something here. What is wrong with free health care for all. you have just posted that it is wrong. With out saying why.</p>
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		<title>By: Stop Bush!</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/san-francisco-mecca-for-homosexuals-subversives-indigents-and-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-227890</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop Bush!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how illegal immigrants in the Arizona desert relate to San Francisco's health-care proposal, I can't see, but I suppose they'll all head to SF for a checkup (according to CalCon).  There's only a couple of hitches that you fail to report.

First, the plan okayed by the Supes is for city residents only, and only covers treatment in the city.  It is not like health insurance where you can get covereage anywhere (on vacation, for instance).  So, an illegal immigrant would have to provide some sort of proof of residence in the city, which given SF's penchant for easily obtained and acceptable forms of proof, won't be too hard.  On the other hand, how many illegal immigrants are going to show up and say they don't have a drivers' license or other government-issued ID, but want coverage?  In the current climate, they're probably too afraid to come forward, annyway.  

Second, if the business is already covering their employee's health insurance in excess of the proposed $1.06 to $1.60 per hour tax, &lt;b&gt;they're exempt&lt;/B&gt;.  This net has plenty of holes.  For example, the likes of Starbucks and Home Depot already offers all of its employees coverage.  And let's face it, if you work at Starbucks or Home Depot, you probably can't afford to live in SF.  What businesses will this hurt?  Small, few-employee businesses, like restaurants (who, coincidentally, CalCon spent days pillorying for "giving in" to the immigrant day of protest); large hotel chains (who cleans the rooms at the Hilton again?); and retailers (como Macy's y Costco, no?).  (And I'm not even going to mention the retail whore Wal-Mart.)

The estimates are that there are about 82,000 uninsured residents of the city that this plan will cover.  Where do you think these people go when they're sick?  Where should they go?  How much are we already paying in inflated health care costs in order for the people to show up in the emergency room for healthcare?

Study after study has shown that preventative care costs less than emergency care, only preventative care isn't available in the ER.  And is there an insurance company out there who will treat somebody prophylactically out of the goodness of their heart?

We're not talking about plastic surgery, eye glasses, dental care, sex-change operations... so called "luxury" care.

Let's look at our neighbors to the north.  Canadians' life-expectancy is two years longer than ours, infant mortality is 35% less than ours, administrative costs are 9% compared to our 30%, and their overall costs are 40% less than our even though they cover 100% of their population compared to our 85%. Over 15% of our GDP compared to their 10%.

Why is it that more big-three autos are manufacturered in Ontario compared to Detroit?  Hint: health care in Ontario costs GM $800 per employee per year compared to $6500 in Michigan.

This is an opportunity for health care providers, business, and insurers to create a plan that works.  Ever heard the saying "as California goes, so goes the nation?"  Instead of criticizing the plan, how about working with it to see if we, being Californians, can create a system that will spread across the country?

Or, we can wait until the system collapses, and the government &lt;em&gt;has&lt;/em&gt; to step in and take over health care.  Do any of my fellow boomers hear the clock ticking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how illegal immigrants in the Arizona desert relate to San Francisco&#8217;s health-care proposal, I can&#8217;t see, but I suppose they&#8217;ll all head to SF for a checkup (according to CalCon).  There&#8217;s only a couple of hitches that you fail to report.</p>
<p>First, the plan okayed by the Supes is for city residents only, and only covers treatment in the city.  It is not like health insurance where you can get covereage anywhere (on vacation, for instance).  So, an illegal immigrant would have to provide some sort of proof of residence in the city, which given SF&#8217;s penchant for easily obtained and acceptable forms of proof, won&#8217;t be too hard.  On the other hand, how many illegal immigrants are going to show up and say they don&#8217;t have a drivers&#8217; license or other government-issued ID, but want coverage?  In the current climate, they&#8217;re probably too afraid to come forward, annyway.  </p>
<p>Second, if the business is already covering their employee&#8217;s health insurance in excess of the proposed $1.06 to $1.60 per hour tax, <b>they&#8217;re exempt</b>.  This net has plenty of holes.  For example, the likes of Starbucks and Home Depot already offers all of its employees coverage.  And let&#8217;s face it, if you work at Starbucks or Home Depot, you probably can&#8217;t afford to live in SF.  What businesses will this hurt?  Small, few-employee businesses, like restaurants (who, coincidentally, CalCon spent days pillorying for &#8220;giving in&#8221; to the immigrant day of protest); large hotel chains (who cleans the rooms at the Hilton again?); and retailers (como Macy&#8217;s y Costco, no?).  (And I&#8217;m not even going to mention the retail whore Wal-Mart.)</p>
<p>The estimates are that there are about 82,000 uninsured residents of the city that this plan will cover.  Where do you think these people go when they&#8217;re sick?  Where should they go?  How much are we already paying in inflated health care costs in order for the people to show up in the emergency room for healthcare?</p>
<p>Study after study has shown that preventative care costs less than emergency care, only preventative care isn&#8217;t available in the ER.  And is there an insurance company out there who will treat somebody prophylactically out of the goodness of their heart?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not talking about plastic surgery, eye glasses, dental care, sex-change operations&#8230; so called &#8220;luxury&#8221; care.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at our neighbors to the north.  Canadians&#8217; life-expectancy is two years longer than ours, infant mortality is 35% less than ours, administrative costs are 9% compared to our 30%, and their overall costs are 40% less than our even though they cover 100% of their population compared to our 85%. Over 15% of our GDP compared to their 10%.</p>
<p>Why is it that more big-three autos are manufacturered in Ontario compared to Detroit?  Hint: health care in Ontario costs GM $800 per employee per year compared to $6500 in Michigan.</p>
<p>This is an opportunity for health care providers, business, and insurers to create a plan that works.  Ever heard the saying &#8220;as California goes, so goes the nation?&#8221;  Instead of criticizing the plan, how about working with it to see if we, being Californians, can create a system that will spread across the country?</p>
<p>Or, we can wait until the system collapses, and the government <em>has</em> to step in and take over health care.  Do any of my fellow boomers hear the clock ticking?</p>
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		<title>By: From the Mind of Splittfinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>From the Mind of Splittfinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Utah's next&lt;/strong&gt;

California Conservative had&#160;this&#160;post this morning, i thought it was very interesting.&#160;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Utah&#8217;s next</strong></p>
<p>California Conservative had&nbsp;this&nbsp;post this morning, i thought it was very interesting.&nbsp;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Layer Seven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Layer Seven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Au contraire.  SF believes business should pay for the true cost of its "cheap" and illegal labor.

(SF's penchant for street people is legendary and a great tourist attraction)

Without border enforcement, we will have 4000 different solutions to the problem of "cheap" illegal labor.  While the cheap labor remits its disposable income to Mexico and points south.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Au contraire.  SF believes business should pay for the true cost of its &#8220;cheap&#8221; and illegal labor.</p>
<p>(SF&#8217;s penchant for street people is legendary and a great tourist attraction)</p>
<p>Without border enforcement, we will have 4000 different solutions to the problem of &#8220;cheap&#8221; illegal labor.  While the cheap labor remits its disposable income to Mexico and points south.</p>
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