Slap in the face?

Yea you bet!!!!! I am happy you got that point clearly!!! Payback? yea! Payment for others bad deeds? SURE! I knida understand what “SAD” is saying- like him we have had people turn on us for voicing our views- which is OK-they need us more than we need them.

I have yet to see a No on 8 person who can talk about this without lowering themsleves to yelling and screaming and stomping like a child.

Justin, I guess I missed something in all those law classes I had over the years while working and doing my formal education in constitutional law. you are talking “ideals” on this one and the majority do not support your ideals.

Can you PLEASE SHOW ME ANYWHERE in the constitution where it clearly says we have a “right” to get married? You know like an “ammendment.” I don’t see it???

Equal Protection under the law was written when our nation was formed and I won’t get into the details on why they put this into our constitution-but it was NOT done to imply they supported same-sex marriage. I don’t think our founding fathers could have guessed in their wildest dreams we as a nation/ state would be debating this!

Those who are trying to force “Separation of church and state” and justify this mess as “equal protection” are constitutional litteralist who want to twist things for their own needs. Kinda like Fred Phelps from Whitsboro Church in Kansas (twists things from the Bible for his needs)- yet nobody pays any attention to him becuase many see him for what he is-CRAZY.

Well, thats what is going on with the No on 8 people now. Fred is out in right field and the No on 8 people are out in left field and guys like us are cuaght in the middle- so we are moving right of center on this.

When moderate people speak out, like we do others have a new postion to consider. Now the militants become less important, and their ideas/ message seem to be far fetched.

The eyes of the nation are upon us in CA on this one. For the most part we as a community look like crap now becuase of what is going on now, and been going on for years. I will niot sit and pretend this is “ok”-it’s not.

Dang, after all this I am now hungery- I am gonna go to El Coyote for some Mexican food!!!

For many decades, gay men and women hid in the closet longing for the day when they could be free. Now that they are free, a handful of flaming queens want them to stay confined inside their little pink box. This isn’t about rights, love or respect - it’s about electoral CONTROL of the gay community.

If I had a choice between by autonomy or being stuck in a pink box, I’d choose the autonomy and sovereignty of the closet over the flaming box that a few fascistic queens want to put me in.

If you want to see fascism, stick a Yes on 8 bumber sticker on your car and park in West Hollywood or Castro. If you do that you’ll understand what it was like to be a black (or white) Republican in Alabama during the 1920s.

Democrats haven’t changed much since Jim Crow and the Klan policed their party. Today, the Klan has traded their hoods and robes for sequined gowns and leather, their own hatred protected by “hate speech” legislation that allows gays to call the larger community bigoted while daring the larger community to respond with equal depravity.

The Democrat Party seeks to control gays with “gay leaders” just as they have appointed “black leaders” and “labor leaders” to control the black and union vote. Union mobsters attack skeptical workers as scabs, blacks mobsters in religious garb attack skeptical blacks of trying to be white, and gay mobsters accuse rational gay people of being self-loathing and unrealized homos.

It isn’t your lifestyle that is sick - it’s the unconscious advancement of your Democrat Party history. What is it about freedom that terrifies you so?

So basically,your mad at some drag queens and because of that,you voted in unison with people that hate you.

Good idea..

i’m sad because i’m a flaming liberal. i have lived with and loved my gay friends no different than any of my straight, transsexual, transgendered, or whatever friends. i read the atlantic, the new yorker, i contribute to npr, i eat organic food, i vote to save animals, i recycle, i support the local arts, i’m a bike commuter, i try to do my part to be a good, informed citizen and a good democrat. i’m also a mormon. and i’m voting yes on 8. i support my gay friends. i always have, since i was 16 and was ridiculed by some of my more backwards family members. i’m not homophobic. my roommate for three years and best friend was a lesbian (i’m female), and i’ve loved and kissed and cuddled any of my friends, straight or gay, and i’m tired of hearing that i’m homophobic. but i have my reasons for voting yes on 8.

surprisingly, it hasn’t been my gay friends who have attacked me the most, though some have. no, for the most part, they who have known me for ten years know that i’m still the same loving friend i was before prop 8, and i will be the same loving friend on nov. 5th. but it has been my straight, democrat, bleeding-heart liberal friends, who cry for tolerance for every walk of life who have railed against, attacked, insulted, and basically have entirely forgotten who i am and have treated me as the enemy. just because i believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, and i support civil unions for any other relationship.

i always fought for tolerance for their lifestyles that went against my own beliefs. now i’m wondering where my tolerance is.

i feel very let down by my liberal community.

i’m sad.

Thank you for so clearly articulating the inane logic of the Vote No mob.

If you want to compare your relationships to the sacrament of marriage, that’s your problem. Your problem becomes MY problem when you and the leftist courts attempt to compare my status as a father and husband to your status as a socio-biological anomaly.

In California, no one (especially me) cares who you love, live with, why, or what you do to each other. What we DO care about is when you and other human anomalies try to convince normal people that you’re just like us. You AREN’T, you never were, and you never will be, which is why God/nature (or whatever you want to call Him) prevents biological anomalies like you from reproducing.

Live and love whom you will, but don’t force me to pretend it’s normal or just like marriage.

I’d put signs on my lawn but you and your klan would vandalize my house.

YES ON 8!

1. the federal government passes a law banning all divorce
2. the government rules out marriage for people who are
a) infertile
b) beyond childbearing age.

Let’s see how far this “argument” lasts then. When over 50% of all marriages are ending in divorce and Britney Spears is getting married and annulling marriages on a whim, it is pretty hard to see the “sanctity of marriage”. How some guy and girl who get drunk and get married on a whim is somehow a holier union than a gay couple that has been together for years is beyond me.

While the Republican Party was created to end slavery and won the Civil War, Democrats created Jim Crow and the KKK to terrorize white and black Republicans from the start of Reconstruction (1865) until 1964, after years of Republicans shoving civil rights down Democrat throats. After Kennedy exploited MLK to gain the black vote in 1960, segregationist school districts started blaming Republicans for Democrat pathologies - which they continue to do today.

After Republicans finally forced Democrats to outlaw lynching during the Truman Administration, gay, environmental, feminist, pro-abortion, and other Democrats have felt comfortable to continue their expressions of hatred toward Republicans, now under the pretext of fighting for civil rights. I wrote about their history HERE.

These gay West Hollywood lynchers are not at fault - they simply don’t know any better. They do, however, remind us all of what gay, feminist, environmentalist, and racial activism truly is - the continuation of blatant and unapologetic bigotry by hateful Democrats. It is the DNC’s history and DNA.

You would think that this would have caused members of the GLBT community to use good judgment in all that they say and do. I would think the members of my (GLBT) community would be wanting to show the people (voters) of California we are worthy of “of the right” to get married.

Well, I was wrong. You see, last week two men in West Hollywood decided to put up yard décor for Halloween. While West Hollywood is known for bad taste, unusual, and over-the-top behavior; this is over the edge. I guess these two drama queens in West Hollywood did not “get the memo” that said, “Our community is under the microscope due to prop 8- be good.” Their yard display is the epitome of bad taste.
I have said it time and time again- some people will do ANYTHING to get attention, and they sure have!!!!

Now, you probably have seen this front yard display on every major network news station over the past week which has now generated an INTERNATIONAL controversy. These two gay men (FOX news discribes them as a “couple’) built an effigy of Sara Palin in a red dress hanging in a noose out front of their West Hollywood home, with John McCain (a former POW who served with honor!) jumping from the burning chimney. As the two gay men spoke with reporters they stood in front of their “Oboma for President” and “no on 8″ signs.

The men described the offensive Halloween display as “art”- OK MARY IF YOU SAY SO!

From on gay man to another- this is tacky and trashy. Sara Palin is a mother, a wife, a daughter, a Governor, mentor to a handicapped child, and now Vice Presidential Candidate. Regardless of your political views, these two idiots have “hung” and effigy of a REAL person.

Given our current community efforts with respects to Prop 8, these two men have called UNWANTED AND NEGITIVE ATTENTION to the gay community as a whole through their actions and once again, two gay men from “Berkeley South” has given the GLBT community a black eye in the national media; at a time when the public’s perception is important.

This “art” has certainly offended people nationwide and across California just FOUR days before voters decide the fate of prop 8 and THEIR ACTIONS HAVE sparked protests out in front of their West Hollywood home.

Granted if we had laws which regulated “good taste” our jails would be standing room only. When it comes to bad taste and tacky behavior; this is a felony. If these two gay men had any intestinal stamina at all; they would have hung a democratic candidate (presidential or V/P) right next to the two republican candidates- yet, these two drama queens know EXACTLY what the political implications would have been. In Redondo Beach a home owner put up her Halloween display with a meat cleaver in the neck of an effigy of Senator Oboma with a “NO-boma” sign. The owner of this display was contacted quickly by McCain’s campaign and the effigy was removed from public view immediately.
Why? it is inappropriate!!!

I suspect that the over-the-top liberal population of West Hollywood would probably have ran these two men out of town on rails if they had suspended Senator Oboma or any person of color from their rope. So, these two cowardly WeHo men took the easy way out- they focused on the “white” republicans and it remains up as a display for all too see.

Form one gay man to another- shame, shame, shame! You have embarrassed the whole gay community with your bad behavior!

In a nut shell, this artical spoke to how mambers of the gay (GLBT community) were becoming more and more accepted within society. The paper pointed out that as acceptance grew, gay men and lesbians (like us) began to move out of areas like San Fransico and West Hollywood.

When this happens, gay businesses fail, others move into these areas, and the “gay community” and the political power it once held in these issolated pockets becomes watered down or non existant.

Sutdio City, in Los Angeles, is a classic example- a once thriving gay community faded away and nearly all the business that once catered to this community have vanished.

Why? the gay community in this area-moved out to other parts of the LA Baisin. We moved out of the area in 2003-to where we are at now, and have loved it ever since! Moving to our current home outside LA City was one of the best things we ever did with our lives! For the time being the “No on Prop 8″ has pulled the community “somewhat together” but come Nov 5th these No on 8 activist will be out a job-once again (lets hope!).

Our type of independance scares many in the gay community and certainly in West Hollywood which is slowly being taken over by immigrants from the former Soviet Union.
The Gay Community in San Fransico has been slowly dieing for years now, and West Hollywood is not far behind.

Many businesses, and night clubs along Santa Montica Blvd., we once visited have vansihed and are now owen and operated by NEW immigrants.

So, to think that WE WOULD cross lines and start thinking like mainstream America should not shock many people. That’s why we have so many in the gay community using hateful tactics and crude remarks about us crossing to the YES side- these are the very type of tactics they speak out against.

Like other groups (immigrants and others) gays like us have moved into mainstream American and began to “blend in” and now fit in. We have made lives for oursleves, we have friends from all walks of life, we look out for our nieghbors and family- we don’t look at things from a “single point of view”- yet many on the “NO” side are doing just that.Oddly, our story is not uncommon. There are lots of “emmancipated gays” living in mainstream society all up and down the state of california- we are but only two.

When GLBT’s blend into mainstream America we begin to identify with our nieghbors and NOT the gay community. OUR COMMUNITY IS WHERE WE NOW LIVE. Our values, our beliefs, our day to day life mimics those communities we now live in-not some far away “issolated pocket” like West Hollywood or San Fran.

Robert and I do not see the gay community as our community. In fact, we see Acton, Agua Dulce, Santa Clarita, and where we grew up as kids as our homes, as OUR COMMUNITY! Add to this OUR FIRST HAND experiances within the gay community and what we know of the gay community from dealing with it most of our adult lives.

So, it would stand to reason that we would not support such an issue. Now throw into the mix our upbringing and our tight relationships with our families and this issue is a no brainer for us. As we said, a few have Hyjacked the whole GLBT community and force this matter back upon the voters of this state.

When we state things like this and people in the gay ghettos get wind of it- it scares activist in the gay community and others pushing agendas becuase we have the ablitiy to do something striaght people cannot- tell the truth and not be branded as “homophobic biggots”. If enough people in our community do this- the psycos are out of a job!

When people like us stop thinking like “the community” and blend in to society the gay community dies or is reduced to a small group of unhappy people always pushing some cuase.

I know this comes as a major shock to most GLBT’s and even some in the religous community. Robert and I are committed to protecting The Bill of Rights and The Constitution. We display this commitment everytime we vote and when we obey the laws as they are written.

We have done this even when it came to Roberts’ US citizenship papers- we did EVERYTHING according to the laws of this nation. As a former law enfocement officer, I would not accept anything else and I am proud of his actions. Robert leads others by his actions and example. This is the halmark of a “role model”.

It scares the hell out of us to think that 61% of the people voted in 2000, to define marriage- yet 6 same sex couples, with the aid of a Militant Mayor in San Fransico, has now FORCED THIS ISSUE BACK UPON THE VOTERS OF THIS STATE.

This Mayor (Gavin Newsum) decided to break the law, and then he encourage unlawful behavior. THESE PEOPLE TOTALLY IGNORED the desires of the voters- The PEOPLE of California.

Now add onto the mix 4 UNTRA- LIBRAL judges (not a all of them-only 4) who decided to “legislate from the bench.” These judges basiclly thumber thier noses at 61% of the people in this state and went against the will of the voters in the state!

I remember all too well Chief Justice “Rose Bird” back in the 1970’s/ 1980’s, and her courts actions-I hope these 4 judges meet the same fate as she did when it comes time for us to vote on them!

ALL Democracy, is endanger when you have activities like this taking place. A small number of militant people, aided by outlaw elected officals willing to violate the law/ desires of voters, supported by judges with “aggendas”- wow! This should scare anyone-including gays and lesbians! The “No on 8″ people-are blind to all this-we are not.

We have NEVER WANTED TO “change” anyones religious values, beliefs, or customs- this is not what our nation was built upon. We are aware of those who would use violence upon us in the name of religion- so we take care- but they do not make up the majority of people in this state, and world. Thankfully, most of them live elsewhere (Topeka, Kansas!) and not next door to us.

Prop 8 is bad news and should have never been FORCED UPON THE VOTERS OF THIS STATE. Yet, it is now before us and we all must “choose a side”. Prop 8 is a “yes or no” question. We are not going to “over think” this matter- we are gonna vote our beliefs and values. Hopefully, for all of us (reasonable people) this whole nightmare will once again fade away.

We enocurage everyone to “vote your values and your beliefs”. This is how we intend to vote- our reasons should be clear to all why we choose to vote.

We will vote yes like our neighbors, our “blood family” and 90% of our friends (stright and gay). As for the No people- well, you have the right to vote as you choose- This is America after all!

What happens in the “gay community scene” well- we don’t care- that’s not our community. It is not our job to fight for your precived rights- what ever you think they are.

Thank you for defining yourself as a great American and not just one more lock-step leftist queer.

Becuase you doubt my validity. I have the courage to ask you to do a “google search” using the following information “Los Anegels Police Officer John Smith” or “GAYS IN LAPD”. I am now retired and the LAPD has NO involvement with my views.

The articals from the Los Angeles Times and others you will find will point out in graphic detail my life over the years.
You will in FACT find out we are REAL poeple and I am a real person; not some “mock up.” As you will see we are not above calling it as we see it.

To try and attempt to use “gay-gestopo tactics” and get us or anyone else to change thier minds using fear is typical of the gay community. This is EXACTLY why we have distanced ourselves from the gay community over the years, will never go to San Fran again, and avoid EVERYTHING TO DO with West Hollywood these days.

We belive in the bill of rights, and US contstitution. We will in NO way concern ourselves with members of the GLBT community who try and use fear, terror, and violence to intimidate people or shame us into changeing. This is nothing more than Nazi like behavior not the acions of an “American.”

As we have said before this whole prop 8 ballot measure has pushed our “private life” onto center stage. While we are comfortable with that- it is not something ANYONE in our community has a right to do on our behalf or in our name.

We are sick of listening to “we have a right to get married”- well “WE” don’t all feel that way! At no time do WE ever remember anyone asking us, taking a vote, or anything like that to allow a person to speak for ALL “GLBT’s” What we do know is that a handful of militants in the gay community has Hyjacked us and have now cuase us to be lumped in with them!

As for “The Sisiters” I like to use The Los Angeles Police Department as a good example for them. When Rodney King was stopped in 1991, or when the Rampart Corruption issue came out in the late 1990’s- not only did the involved officers suffer (as they should have) but the rest of The LAPD suffered becuase of the actions of “a few”.

The WHOLE POLICE DEPARTMENT OF 9000 SWORN PEOPLE was labled as “brutal”, “Corrupt” and “bias”-this was not the case yet it happend. The actions of a few still huant this department to this very day- yet 65% of those working the streets were not even employed at the time, commandstaff has changed, and those involved were removed- the “stain” of these events lingers on years after the events occured.

The reason this happens is human nature- we as humans tend to “paint all people with a broad brush” it is not right but it happens. This is EXACTLY WHAT is happening with the sisters and MANY OTHERS INVOLVED IN CRIMIANL ACTIVITY in our community.

People in our community are committing acts, being less than good role models, and at the same time harming the greater community- yet “the community” looks at these thugs as “heros”.

I have seen a hero or two in my day- they aint it! These people nothing more than cowards hiding behind a legit topic of discussion.

So, this brings me back to “The Sisters” (and others like them) I could care less how much money they raise, what social acts of kindness they do- their bad behavior gives all of our community a “black eye” like it or not!

We (and others like my partner and I) will not tollerate that and will not support it at anytime. If a St8 person was to make these remarks/ take a stand like this- they would be labeled quickly as “homophobic” yet, when two gay men make these comments it is not only more belivable but we speak the truth becuase we have seen it withn our own eyes. Those in the community who whine “we are being picked on” now fade away!

I have seen “The Sisters” appearing in public and on TWO differnet occassions I have seen members of this group CLEARLY UNDER THE INFLUANCE OF METHAMPHETAMINE!

As a (now retired) police officer (a gay one) I am well aware of the physical symptoms cause by the abuse of crystal meth. This drug is running rampied in our community- our efforts are better spent on stopping this and not picking fights with people over marriage!

Again, their actions (The Sisters and others) give us all a black eye. Now add into this a gay Los Angeles Sheriff Deptuy who was in Palm Springs at an event as saw the sisters. RIGHT OUT IN PUBLIC THIS OFFICER SAW TWO members of this group using illegal drugs! We (and others like us) will in no way support groups or people like this- never. wE WILL NOT SUPPORT YOUR AGENDAS OR YOUR CUASE- WHATEVER IT IS!

These are NOT the actions of Role Models! These are however, the actions of people looking to get attention and they will stop at nothing to get it- even if it means walking into a church in full blow drag and disrupting a service.

The below information is also easy to verify using a simple “google search”.

Since prop 8 has hit the ballot 5 gay men were arrested last week after removing and destroying “YES ON 8″ signs in SoCal. In Modesto Calif, a male hispanic man holding “YES ON 8″ signs was physically assulted in public during the day time and had to be taken to the hospital for treatment and recieved stitces to his face. These acts of VOTER INTIMIDATION ARE HAPPING ALL UP AND DOWN THE STATE!

ON MY WEB SITE! ON MYSPACE- some donkey from West Hollywood openly bragged about who he went into a business in Los Angeles and disrupted the store and distroyed the “YES ON 8″ sign. I removed him and his comments from my web site, posted his name and remarks in my blog and called him a psyco coward. This is your community-NO OURS!

I would avcoate the use of “hate crime” charges against ANYONE involved in this type of criminal conduct. The gay community I am sure would dismiss this horrible activity as “expression of speech” and agrue “well the YES on 8 side is doing it also!”

Two wrongs do not make a right and I could care less about the actions of the yes folks- they do not claim to speak of us.

The NO on 8 people do claim to speak for us. So, If you want our support then you (the GLBT Community) will obey the laws as they are written, lead by example, and use integrity/ common respect for others in all that you say and do. If you want “rights” be worthy of them!

It troubles us to say that the bulk of these CRIMES being committed in the name of “Prop 8″ are being committed by GLBT people. As for the 5 arrested- they said in the papers/ TV the 5 suspects had just attended a “NO on 8″ ralley at a bar in Fullerton and were inspired to this action by attending this ralley.

So, we (The GLBT Community) tollerate “The Sisters’, we tollerate the meth (SLANG; Tina) abuse in our community, and now we are tollerating violence and the basic denial of others rights to ‘FREEE SPEECH’- WHERE DO WE STOP? AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY ‘ENOUGH’.

We have decided to say “ENOUGH” on this issue. I am troubled by the actions of our community and to those who read this, I hope we can move beyond this. I would like to point out that those of us (gay men and lesbian women) living outside these gay ghettos like West Hollywood and San Fran are as mainsteam as anyone else. We are more people like YOU than those in the gay community.

We do not support this type of activity and we are speaking out against it to stop it- at the end of this prop 8 mess the fact is we all need to live together in this nation and the actions of a few crazies are not the values of a SANE majority.

The thing you don’t get, and probably never will, is that the vast majority of all Americans (and people around the world) could not care less who you love or how consenting adults express love to one another.

I accept that John and Robert are good men who love one another. I respect them and they respect me. They don’t tell me their relationship is just like mine, and I don’t tell them that mine is better than theirs. They’re good people who I love and respect, and they love and respect me for who I am.

What offends most of us, however, and what prompts people like me to support Prop 8, is your insistence that non-gays be forced to understand the ugliest details of your relationships and sexual proclivities, and to accept them as NORMAL.

Most of us DON’T WANT TO KNOW just as you don’t want to know about my sexual appetite, practices, or relationships. You don’t want lewd, ugly, and outrageous heterosexuals marching through your cities in trashy make-up and pathological costume in celebration of heterosexual sex, and we don’t want to see lewd, ugly, and outrageous gays in our faces doing the same thing.

We want you to do your own thing and be happy, but if you think that you can force the ugly and lascivious nature of your biological anomaly upon others and not receive resistance within a democracy, you are perversely mistaken. Hook up with whoever you want, but don’t force me and my children to accept your decisions as equal to mine.

One of your more ardent fans physically attacked a Modesto man this week who supports Prop 8. No one puts Yes on Prop 8 signs in LA because boors like you will rip them out. Indeed, if we post YES signs in front of our West Hollywood homes, we know your goons will attack us and vandalize our homes and cars for being hateful – without it ever dawning on you that you’re the belligerent Klansmen this time.

I don’t hate gays. I have many gay friends. We simply oppose YOUR insolent tone and we’re tired of you telling our kids that you’re just like them.

We have diversity – you’re gay and we’re not. Respect our differences. Keep your relationships to yourselves, and we’ll keep our relationships to ourselves. Respect our marriages and we’re respect your civil unions.

I’m all for civil unions – I have one too, but don’t force me to accept that your arrangements are equal to mine. It is not and it will never be.

This is why Prop 8 will pass by an overwhelming margin.

Vote YES on 8!

But I do just want to point out, if you are REAL gay boys (and not just some BS created by conservatives), it is interesting that you use, of all groups, the Sisters or Perpetual Indulgence, who have taken great pains (figurative and literal) to push the boundaries out on every social issue to make the center area safer and more comfortable for people like you to live, work, breath, speak and play in.

John and Robert, if it weren’t for the Sisters and their extremism of holding up a mirror to the ugliness of conservative rhetoric, you boys would never have gotten your story published on a website called “Conservative California”…let alone have elicited such amazing support from so many conservatives.

Three decades ago, when the Sisters first formed, you would have been living in fear that anybody might find out your terrible secret of a maintaining a loving and caring relationship for the past 12 years. I’m sorry you feel so called to single out the Sisters…but since you have, I wish you can see that if it weren’t for the Sisters and organizations and individuals such as them, you would not even have the freedom today to deny yourselves the right to marry.

However, personally, I believe you are a couple of (if you are a couple at all…) desperate little conservative Christians (Mormon? Catholic? Who ever is a major funder of this yes on 8 campaign and realizing they have to step up their fear and hate tactics) working every angle possible to get your agenda of hate passed into law.

If you are actually Robert and John, I hope for your sake that Prop 8 doesn’t pass…and despite your willing to sell out your fellow queers, I wish you every happiness if you ever do decide to take the plunge. And if you are just an evil conservative hoping to sensationalize the issue to do your part to keep up a failing momentum, well…I wish you luck…in hell! For after all…your kind believes in hell…and that’s where your acts will lead you.

As a fellow “Central Valley” Native, I want to openly thank you for this letter that you’ve written to your community. While we disagree on your choice of lifestyle, I think that your gesture in the form of this letter gives serious hope to the ongoing reconciliation efforts between those who think homosexuality is wrong, and those who think it is right.

Thank you for writing this letter. I am so proud of you for standing up for your families, their churches, and OUR faith! Thank you!

While I have personal objections to homosexuality, I do NOT feel that they should affect legal rights. HOWEVER, no matter the spiritual purpose of it, the legal purpose of “marriage” is to encourage child-rearing - that this has been combined simply with “marriage” in both the law and in many churches is what has helped make marriage such a base, trivial commodity in our society.

Further divorcing the intent from the enactment of marriage will do no service to anyone, including homosexuals. Any two conseting, informed persons should (legally) be allowed to join in a form of civil union - and that is ALL the government should involve itself with on the matter. “Marriage” can either be left as a “freedom of religion” bit - to be dealt with however the individual believes it should - or it should be ‘’specifically” for couples raising children.

Now, of course, this is a pipe dream - to much work would be required, too much common sense, and too much civility, to enact any plan like this.

One last note: As to those commenting that the writer’s of this article “can’t be who they say they are”, “are self-loathing, etc. -

HOW DARE YOU. Nowhere in the article did the writer’s profess such abject intolerance, and refusal to believe that anyone can disagree with them. If you’d like to put forward an argument for why voting no will benefit society, PLEASE DO SO - but simply resorting to calling the other side bigots is one of the worst kinds of intolerance and ad hominem. It may not be physical intolerance, the absolute worst kind, but it is quite close.

I live in West Hollywood and consider many gay men as friends.

I don’t mind interacting with gays on a professional or social level, but they are not just like everyone else. There are no social, spiritual or biological similarities.

Marriage is a covenant with God that implies a spiritual promise to create life. It is not a device which can, in any way, be used to convince a heterosexual majority into believing that homosexuals are “just like everyone else.”

One is a marriage and the other can be a domestic or civil partnership.

Marriage is good for humanity, while domestic partnerships are good for the domestic partners. One is a celebration of life, while the other celebrates self-indulgent sexual gratification. There is no comparison.

That is why I will vote YES on Prop 8.

In effect: “Prop 8 is good because there’s some offensive group over there that’s against Prop 8.”

That’s a terrible reason to support the revocation of the marriage rights of millions of Californians.

One can support respect toward religious conservatives and/or Catholics *and* support marriage equality for all Californians. In fact, I do, and so does my whole church.

Please, vote No on Prop 8.

Patrick Meighan
Culver City, CA