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	<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 03:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/fearmonger-in-chief-enters-stage-hard-left/comment-page-1/#comment-1838528</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liem, instead on diverting the discussion to "the numbers (I'm) pulling out of (my) butt" it would be a lot easier for me to be talking to Klingons circling Uranus.  They would make more sense, and would actually keep the discussion on topic.

Get a life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liem, instead on diverting the discussion to &#8220;the numbers (I&#8217;m) pulling out of (my) butt&#8221; it would be a lot easier for me to be talking to Klingons circling Uranus.  They would make more sense, and would actually keep the discussion on topic.</p>
<p>Get a life.</p>
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		<title>By: Liem</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/fearmonger-in-chief-enters-stage-hard-left/comment-page-1/#comment-1835042</link>
		<dc:creator>Liem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TA Gray: So you're saying what's needed is more tax cuts to help out the 7.6% of Americans on unemployment? 

Carlos: Firstly, I agree that regulations failed to curb the extensive and ludicrous lending. But to say that Democrats were exclusively at fault for failing free market theory means that your conservative blinders are on. Especially when Republicans are more likely to ask for leniency on regulations and Democrats are more likely to ask for more forceful regulation. And don't forget the last wonderful President your party put in office.

Secondly: So you're saying in your real life, the government is taking 50 cents for every dollar you earn? If so, that puts you in a fake tax bracket. For those earning $357,701 and above, you get taxed 35%. Therefore I'm not going to waste my time using the numbers you're pulling out of your butt.

Lastly, when you're forced to wait in line for government issue bread because you have no other options, you let me know and I'll beg for forgiveness. Until then, realize that conservative policies have had their run and failed miserably.

The funniest part in all this time is that the conservatives in power have made this country a shit sandwich and are now crying and complaining about how no one wants to eat it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TA Gray: So you&#8217;re saying what&#8217;s needed is more tax cuts to help out the 7.6% of Americans on unemployment? </p>
<p>Carlos: Firstly, I agree that regulations failed to curb the extensive and ludicrous lending. But to say that Democrats were exclusively at fault for failing free market theory means that your conservative blinders are on. Especially when Republicans are more likely to ask for leniency on regulations and Democrats are more likely to ask for more forceful regulation. And don&#8217;t forget the last wonderful President your party put in office.</p>
<p>Secondly: So you&#8217;re saying in your real life, the government is taking 50 cents for every dollar you earn? If so, that puts you in a fake tax bracket. For those earning $357,701 and above, you get taxed 35%. Therefore I&#8217;m not going to waste my time using the numbers you&#8217;re pulling out of your butt.</p>
<p>Lastly, when you&#8217;re forced to wait in line for government issue bread because you have no other options, you let me know and I&#8217;ll beg for forgiveness. Until then, realize that conservative policies have had their run and failed miserably.</p>
<p>The funniest part in all this time is that the conservatives in power have made this country a shit sandwich and are now crying and complaining about how no one wants to eat it.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/fearmonger-in-chief-enters-stage-hard-left/comment-page-1/#comment-1834223</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 13:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liem, go back and read what I actually wrote. I wrote (translated) that guvmint rules and regs were a burden and drag  on business, but the reg agencies failed to enforce the rules and regs that were already in place.  That doesn't sound to me that I thought they needed more rules and regs.

Second, how did you do with story problems in elementary/secondary schools?  Your response seems to indicate you would have major problems solving even a simple one.

And last, that was almost my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liem, go back and read what I actually wrote. I wrote (translated) that guvmint rules and regs were a burden and drag  on business, but the reg agencies failed to enforce the rules and regs that were already in place.  That doesn&#8217;t sound to me that I thought they needed more rules and regs.</p>
<p>Second, how did you do with story problems in elementary/secondary schools?  Your response seems to indicate you would have major problems solving even a simple one.</p>
<p>And last, that was almost my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Liem</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/fearmonger-in-chief-enters-stage-hard-left/comment-page-1/#comment-1831958</link>
		<dc:creator>Liem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 03:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carlos: First, you're saying that the policies pressures and rules set up by Democrats are what caused this economic mess and then you immediately say that because they &lt;i&gt;didn't&lt;/i&gt; set up enough rules, the SEC failed. 

Second, I can't. Your hypothetical situation pulls too many fake numbers out of your butt unless you're making $100,000. In which case, good on you.

Last, if you're waiting in line for bread, I think you have bigger problems than to worry about what I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carlos: First, you&#8217;re saying that the policies pressures and rules set up by Democrats are what caused this economic mess and then you immediately say that because they <i>didn&#8217;t</i> set up enough rules, the SEC failed. </p>
<p>Second, I can&#8217;t. Your hypothetical situation pulls too many fake numbers out of your butt unless you&#8217;re making $100,000. In which case, good on you.</p>
<p>Last, if you&#8217;re waiting in line for bread, I think you have bigger problems than to worry about what I think.</p>
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		<title>By: T. A. Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/fearmonger-in-chief-enters-stage-hard-left/comment-page-1/#comment-1831713</link>
		<dc:creator>T. A. Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Liem, you can throw money at the economy all day long.  Nothing is going to happen, unless there is confidence on the part of consumers, and producers of goods and services alike that its safe to spend to either buy stuff, or make it.  Nothing.

Now why in hell, should Mr. Widget feel like increasing production, if his own President is standing there telling him  Not so fast you greedy bastard, Ill tell you when you can make a profit, and how much you can pay yourself.

   Why should a banker go out on a limb and loan Widget Inc. any money for plant expansion and startup costs if the govt. is going to dictate when and where they make a profit enough to be able to pay him interest on the money he loans him?

 Lastly, why should Joe Plantworker go out and piss away his unemployment check if there is no chance in hell, his old workplace is going to be able to pay him anything, even if it did rehire him because, the jackass he elected for President would rather throw money around at work and feel good crap he doesnt even know how to do, or care about?

Are the dots becoming a little  clearer now, just a little?

When you know what the hell your talking about, come back with something constructive other than the twerp headed Bravo Sierra you dug this hole for yourself to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Liem, you can throw money at the economy all day long.  Nothing is going to happen, unless there is confidence on the part of consumers, and producers of goods and services alike that its safe to spend to either buy stuff, or make it.  Nothing.</p>
<p>Now why in hell, should Mr. Widget feel like increasing production, if his own President is standing there telling him  Not so fast you greedy bastard, Ill tell you when you can make a profit, and how much you can pay yourself.</p>
<p>   Why should a banker go out on a limb and loan Widget Inc. any money for plant expansion and startup costs if the govt. is going to dictate when and where they make a profit enough to be able to pay him interest on the money he loans him?</p>
<p> Lastly, why should Joe Plantworker go out and piss away his unemployment check if there is no chance in hell, his old workplace is going to be able to pay him anything, even if it did rehire him because, the jackass he elected for President would rather throw money around at work and feel good crap he doesnt even know how to do, or care about?</p>
<p>Are the dots becoming a little  clearer now, just a little?</p>
<p>When you know what the hell your talking about, come back with something constructive other than the twerp headed Bravo Sierra you dug this hole for yourself to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/fearmonger-in-chief-enters-stage-hard-left/comment-page-1/#comment-1831164</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm trying desparately not to get into ad hominem attacks here, Liem, but if you weren't such a blind fool it would be easier to avoid.

First, it was donk/jackass policies, pressures and rules that set us down the road to the economic mess we're in, coupled with an incredible lack of paying attention by such entities as the SEC.

Second, please explain how, if the guvmint takes one of my dollars and $.50 of it ends up in the economy (because bureaucratic waste takes the other $.50), that helps the economy more than if I keep the dollar, spend $.90 in the economy and save the other dime?

Last, since you obviously can't connect the dots, I'll do it for you.  The mother of all pork bills, a.k.a. the "Stimulus Package", will cause the severe lack of anything to pay your power bill with, the severe restrictions on credit and the long lines for bread reminiscent of the ones seen in the failed Soviet Union (following similar socialist policies pushed by our esteemed leader.)

Hundreds of other countries have tried socialist policies and all have failed miserably to keep up with economic advances displayed by the United States in the last two centuries.  Some continue to try, and are still failing.  What about that track record do you fail to understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying desparately not to get into ad hominem attacks here, Liem, but if you weren&#8217;t such a blind fool it would be easier to avoid.</p>
<p>First, it was donk/jackass policies, pressures and rules that set us down the road to the economic mess we&#8217;re in, coupled with an incredible lack of paying attention by such entities as the SEC.</p>
<p>Second, please explain how, if the guvmint takes one of my dollars and $.50 of it ends up in the economy (because bureaucratic waste takes the other $.50), that helps the economy more than if I keep the dollar, spend $.90 in the economy and save the other dime?</p>
<p>Last, since you obviously can&#8217;t connect the dots, I&#8217;ll do it for you.  The mother of all pork bills, a.k.a. the &#8220;Stimulus Package&#8221;, will cause the severe lack of anything to pay your power bill with, the severe restrictions on credit and the long lines for bread reminiscent of the ones seen in the failed Soviet Union (following similar socialist policies pushed by our esteemed leader.)</p>
<p>Hundreds of other countries have tried socialist policies and all have failed miserably to keep up with economic advances displayed by the United States in the last two centuries.  Some continue to try, and are still failing.  What about that track record do you fail to understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Liem</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/fearmonger-in-chief-enters-stage-hard-left/comment-page-1/#comment-1830424</link>
		<dc:creator>Liem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't get it. Why would the government shut off my power, cut my credit, or not sell me bread? I don't remember reading that as part of the stimulus package.

Conservatives had 8 years in the presidency that included a trillion dollar war and tax cuts that were supposed to trickle wealth to the rest of us. That's led us to where we are now. If your ideas were the right direction for America, Obama wouldn't have been elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get it. Why would the government shut off my power, cut my credit, or not sell me bread? I don&#8217;t remember reading that as part of the stimulus package.</p>
<p>Conservatives had 8 years in the presidency that included a trillion dollar war and tax cuts that were supposed to trickle wealth to the rest of us. That&#8217;s led us to where we are now. If your ideas were the right direction for America, Obama wouldn&#8217;t have been elected.</p>
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		<title>By: USN Ret.</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/fearmonger-in-chief-enters-stage-hard-left/comment-page-1/#comment-1830048</link>
		<dc:creator>USN Ret.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brow beating corporations and propagandizing profits as immoral during hard economic times is a strange way of encouraging economic recovery, Mr. Liem.

Chastising executives for awarding themselves lavish bonuses is one thing, but to pontificate with the arrogance he showed the other day in a baldfaced attempt to discourage free market forces, and self starting entrepreneural activity, as if the almighty Federal governemnt is the one and only way to recovery, only shows what a self-styled Marxist this fool thinks he is.

He's got two years.  Two years to play  around with his aademic theories, because he hasn't got jack for experience.  Eityer he creates a deeper depression or turn this economy around, and he's already got one strike against him with this trillion dollar political pay off bill, you and your grandchildren will never pay for in a hundred years of socialist econmic planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brow beating corporations and propagandizing profits as immoral during hard economic times is a strange way of encouraging economic recovery, Mr. Liem.</p>
<p>Chastising executives for awarding themselves lavish bonuses is one thing, but to pontificate with the arrogance he showed the other day in a baldfaced attempt to discourage free market forces, and self starting entrepreneural activity, as if the almighty Federal governemnt is the one and only way to recovery, only shows what a self-styled Marxist this fool thinks he is.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s got two years.  Two years to play  around with his aademic theories, because he hasn&#8217;t got jack for experience.  Eityer he creates a deeper depression or turn this economy around, and he&#8217;s already got one strike against him with this trillion dollar political pay off bill, you and your grandchildren will never pay for in a hundred years of socialist econmic planning.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/fearmonger-in-chief-enters-stage-hard-left/comment-page-1/#comment-1827195</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liem, that's what our glorious messiah is trying to do:  start a war between the have lots/have nots (but figure they're owed lots anyway), and the normal producers who're just haves trying to work their way through life honestly.  He won the first skirmish by getting elected, he will probably win the first battle (the pork package), but God help us all if he wins the war.

I'm old and won't have to live under his oppression long, but young turks like you will wake up some morning and wonder why the guvmint shut down your power, or cut off your credit, or makes you wait in long lines for loaves of bread.

Dissent isn't the most sincere form of patriotism like we've been screamed at for the last 8 years, it's only patriotism if it moves the country forward, or if it prevents the country from egregious error.  We conservatives see our dissent of the pork package as trying to prevent an egregious error; libs (in general) are simply p.o.'d that the great unwashed don't want in on the "free" goodies his holiness (and his uncontrolled minions Reid and Pelosi) is offering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liem, that&#8217;s what our glorious messiah is trying to do:  start a war between the have lots/have nots (but figure they&#8217;re owed lots anyway), and the normal producers who&#8217;re just haves trying to work their way through life honestly.  He won the first skirmish by getting elected, he will probably win the first battle (the pork package), but God help us all if he wins the war.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m old and won&#8217;t have to live under his oppression long, but young turks like you will wake up some morning and wonder why the guvmint shut down your power, or cut off your credit, or makes you wait in long lines for loaves of bread.</p>
<p>Dissent isn&#8217;t the most sincere form of patriotism like we&#8217;ve been screamed at for the last 8 years, it&#8217;s only patriotism if it moves the country forward, or if it prevents the country from egregious error.  We conservatives see our dissent of the pork package as trying to prevent an egregious error; libs (in general) are simply p.o.&#8217;d that the great unwashed don&#8217;t want in on the &#8220;free&#8221; goodies his holiness (and his uncontrolled minions Reid and Pelosi) is offering.</p>
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		<title>By: btenney</title>
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		<dc:creator>btenney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call it the "Polical Donors Reimbursment Act."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call it the &#8220;Polical Donors Reimbursment Act.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Liem</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/fearmonger-in-chief-enters-stage-hard-left/comment-page-1/#comment-1825813</link>
		<dc:creator>Liem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should start another war to get ourselves out of this recession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should start another war to get ourselves out of this recession.</p>
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