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		<title>By: Chris Bell</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/bush-a-war-criminal/comment-page-1/#comment-207466</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 22:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite="That law was written after this case (Hamdan v. Rumsfeld) was put into the system. Ergo, you canâ€™t break a law that didnâ€™t exist at the time."&gt;

No.  Have a look at 18 U.S.C.A. Â§ 2441 - War Crimes.  Effective as of November 26, 1997.

&lt;blockquote cite="As for your constitutional expert, heâ€™s wrong because weâ€™re talking about terrorists in this instance. If terrorists were covered by the Geneva Convention, then there wouldnâ€™t have been discussions in the 80â€™s about whether terrorists should be protected by the Geneva Convention."&gt;

I think you're repeating a John Yoo argument here.  If what you say is true, then why didn't the dissenters argue this in the case?  Maybe that should be a sign....

&lt;blockquote cite="What must it be like to hate Bush so much that you think heâ€™s breaking the law with his every action? What a pathetic existence!!! I wonâ€™t even call it a life."&gt; 
 
Actually, I don't hate Bush and I consider myself moderate/conservative.  Just because I think this opinion is good doesn't mean I spend my days making lists of all the ways that Bush is evel.  

Conservatives have turned themselves inside out in the past few years.  The basis of this recent opinion is that the President has overreached.  Where did small-givernment conservatism get to?</description>
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<p>No.  Have a look at 18 U.S.C.A. Â§ 2441 - War Crimes.  Effective as of November 26, 1997.</p>
<blockquote cite="As for your constitutional expert, heâ€™s wrong because weâ€™re talking about terrorists in this instance. If terrorists were covered by the Geneva Convention, then there wouldnâ€™t have been discussions in the 80â€™s about whether terrorists should be protected by the Geneva Convention.">
<p>I think you&#8217;re repeating a John Yoo argument here.  If what you say is true, then why didn&#8217;t the dissenters argue this in the case?  Maybe that should be a sign&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote cite="What must it be like to hate Bush so much that you think heâ€™s breaking the law with his every action? What a pathetic existence!!! I wonâ€™t even call it a life.">
<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t hate Bush and I consider myself moderate/conservative.  Just because I think this opinion is good doesn&#8217;t mean I spend my days making lists of all the ways that Bush is evel.  </p>
<p>Conservatives have turned themselves inside out in the past few years.  The basis of this recent opinion is that the President has overreached.  Where did small-givernment conservatism get to?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/bush-a-war-criminal/comment-page-1/#comment-206610</link>
		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 03:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Day After&lt;/strong&gt;

In the end this is going to force those in Congress to choose sides, and in an election year.  How much you want to bet the majority will not side with Al-Qaeda?

...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Day After</strong></p>
<p>In the end this is going to force those in Congress to choose sides, and in an election year.  How much you want to bet the majority will not side with Al-Qaeda?</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stwendeler</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/bush-a-war-criminal/comment-page-1/#comment-206567</link>
		<dc:creator>stwendeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why spies can be summarily executed, since they do not enjoy the protections of the Geneva Convention.  And given the protections that the Dems and the liberal members of the SCOTUS want to provide our enemies, &lt;a href="http://rovianconspiracy.blogspot.com/2006/06/scotus-tells-commander-in-chief-shoot.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;perhaps our soldiers in the field won't go through so much trouble to capture them in the first place&lt;/a&gt;.

But hey... I'm not some tool who thinks that increase tax revenues is sufficient justification for invalidating someone's property rights.

Sounds like there's some more work to do on the Supreme Court, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why spies can be summarily executed, since they do not enjoy the protections of the Geneva Convention.  And given the protections that the Dems and the liberal members of the SCOTUS want to provide our enemies, <a href="http://rovianconspiracy.blogspot.com/2006/06/scotus-tells-commander-in-chief-shoot.html" rel="nofollow">perhaps our soldiers in the field won&#8217;t go through so much trouble to capture them in the first place</a>.</p>
<p>But hey&#8230; I&#8217;m not some tool who thinks that increase tax revenues is sufficient justification for invalidating someone&#8217;s property rights.</p>
<p>Sounds like there&#8217;s some more work to do on the Supreme Court, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Gross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;There is a Congressional law stating that violation of the Geneva Conventions is a war crime punishable by life in prison or execution!&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

That law was written after this case (Hamdan v. Rumsfeld) was put into the system. Ergo, you can't break a law that didn't exist at the time. 

As for your constitutional expert, he's wrong because we're talking about terrorists in this instance. If terrorists were covered by the Geneva Convention, then there wouldn't have been discussions in the 80's about whether terrorists should be protected by the Geneva Convention. 

Furthermore, if we didn't sign newer versions of the Geneva Convention, then those newer rules wouldn't be American law. 

What must it be like to hate Bush so much that you think he's breaking the law with his every action? What a pathetic existence!!! I won't even call it a life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>There is a Congressional law stating that violation of the Geneva Conventions is a war crime punishable by life in prison or execution!</b></p></blockquote>
<p>That law was written after this case (Hamdan v. Rumsfeld) was put into the system. Ergo, you can&#8217;t break a law that didn&#8217;t exist at the time. </p>
<p>As for your constitutional expert, he&#8217;s wrong because we&#8217;re talking about terrorists in this instance. If terrorists were covered by the Geneva Convention, then there wouldn&#8217;t have been discussions in the 80&#8217;s about whether terrorists should be protected by the Geneva Convention. </p>
<p>Furthermore, if we didn&#8217;t sign newer versions of the Geneva Convention, then those newer rules wouldn&#8217;t be American law. </p>
<p>What must it be like to hate Bush so much that you think he&#8217;s breaking the law with his every action? What a pathetic existence!!! I won&#8217;t even call it a life.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As explained by a Constitutional Law expert on CSPAN this morning:

-The Geneva Convention now applies to detainees.

-The Geneva Convention prevents degrading interrogation techniques (like waterboarding).

-There is a Congressional law stating that violation of the Geneva Conventions is a war crime punishable by life in prison or execution!

End result, Bush administration is in trouble if they keep this up....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As explained by a Constitutional Law expert on CSPAN this morning:</p>
<p>-The Geneva Convention now applies to detainees.</p>
<p>-The Geneva Convention prevents degrading interrogation techniques (like waterboarding).</p>
<p>-There is a Congressional law stating that violation of the Geneva Conventions is a war crime punishable by life in prison or execution!</p>
<p>End result, Bush administration is in trouble if they keep this up&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stop Bush!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stop Bush!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You accuse anyone who has a differing point of view as either an "idiot" or "stupid" or otherwise sharing in your superior intellect.  Then, you go on to say "tell the whole truth, not just the convenient truth" whilst only pointing out the one provision of the Geneva convention that supports your arguement.  What part of "stupid" and "idiot" escapes your brilliant mind?  Gary, your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

But I'm sure the Fred Barnes, expert on all things republiCON, is right: terrorism in the Reagan years was summarily rejected.

Meanwhile, the Supreme Court did not write any new law, nor any new treaty, as you suggest.  (Again, whenever anyone disagrees with the CONmen, its "judicial activism!") The Supremes merely said that W overstepped his bounds by acting without the authorization of Congress.  For the life of me, I can't figure out why; this rubber-stamp congress will give him anything he wants, and yet W (and the brain, and the devil, or whatever cute nicknames we're using today) continue to go behind Congress' back.

The entire republiCON party needs to go back to basic civics to learn the role each branch of government plays.  I would have said &lt;em&gt;learn&lt;/em&gt; but its cleear none of them paid any attention in the first place.

BTW, DirtCrashr, how does using dogs to scare enemy combatants, and forcing them to pile on one-another without clothes (among the most well known and yet lesser acts the US routinely commits) fit with the "laws and customs" of war?  I'm not suggesting any moral equivalence between, for example, employing scare tactics and beheadings; but just because they do it doesn't mean we should, either.  

Let the name calling and finger pointing begin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You accuse anyone who has a differing point of view as either an &#8220;idiot&#8221; or &#8220;stupid&#8221; or otherwise sharing in your superior intellect.  Then, you go on to say &#8220;tell the whole truth, not just the convenient truth&#8221; whilst only pointing out the one provision of the Geneva convention that supports your arguement.  What part of &#8220;stupid&#8221; and &#8220;idiot&#8221; escapes your brilliant mind?  Gary, your hypocrisy knows no bounds.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m sure the Fred Barnes, expert on all things republiCON, is right: terrorism in the Reagan years was summarily rejected.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the Supreme Court did not write any new law, nor any new treaty, as you suggest.  (Again, whenever anyone disagrees with the CONmen, its &#8220;judicial activism!&#8221;) The Supremes merely said that W overstepped his bounds by acting without the authorization of Congress.  For the life of me, I can&#8217;t figure out why; this rubber-stamp congress will give him anything he wants, and yet W (and the brain, and the devil, or whatever cute nicknames we&#8217;re using today) continue to go behind Congress&#8217; back.</p>
<p>The entire republiCON party needs to go back to basic civics to learn the role each branch of government plays.  I would have said <em>learn</em> but its cleear none of them paid any attention in the first place.</p>
<p>BTW, DirtCrashr, how does using dogs to scare enemy combatants, and forcing them to pile on one-another without clothes (among the most well known and yet lesser acts the US routinely commits) fit with the &#8220;laws and customs&#8221; of war?  I&#8217;m not suggesting any moral equivalence between, for example, employing scare tactics and beheadings; but just because they do it doesn&#8217;t mean we should, either.  </p>
<p>Let the name calling and finger pointing begin!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the Court didn't apply Article 4.  The Court said that &lt;b&gt;Article 3&lt;/b&gt; applied.  That's the part that talks about people NOT in uniform.

Your post is just flat misleading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the Court didn&#8217;t apply Article 4.  The Court said that <b>Article 3</b> applied.  That&#8217;s the part that talks about people NOT in uniform.</p>
<p>Your post is just flat misleading.</p>
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		<title>By: DirtCrashr</title>
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		<dc:creator>DirtCrashr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;
I don't see much about IED-killings, suicide-bombers, and civilian mayhem as a part of the "laws and customs" of war.
The Court f*'d up, Big Time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.</b></i><br />
I don&#8217;t see much about IED-killings, suicide-bombers, and civilian mayhem as a part of the &#8220;laws and customs&#8221; of war.<br />
The Court f*&#8217;d up, Big Time.</p>
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