Comments on: SB840: Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State Part I http://www.californiaconservative.org/economy/sb840-bringing-the-failures-of-canada-to-the-golden-state-part-i/ Speaking Out For The Silent Majority (TM) Thu, 24 May 2012 18:34:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: California Conservative » SB840: Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State, Part IV http://www.californiaconservative.org/economy/sb840-bringing-the-failures-of-canada-to-the-golden-state-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-156436 California Conservative » SB840: Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State, Part IV Mon, 15 May 2006 19:20:33 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/?p=2685#comment-156436 [...] Previously, I have posted about SB840, a bill in the State Legislature that would socialize medical care in California under a “single payer” (Government paid) program. The bill is slowly gaining support (the Huffington Post supports it), despite its many shortcomings. Today, I attended a propaganda session under the guise of an “informational meeting”, sponsored by Health Care For All, and held on the UCSF Medical school campus. The meeting featured various Democrats running for various positions in the state Senate and Assembly, all of whom support the bill that will raise taxes , damage the economy(Part I), and disrupt and damage health care delivery (Part II). Among the speakers were Mike Nevin, Leland Yee, Janet Reilly, and Mark Leno (who supports child pornography). Each was their to campaign, but each also provided some “insight” into the proposed bill. [...] [...] Previously, I have posted about SB840, a bill in the State Legislature that would socialize medical care in California under a “single payer” (Government paid) program. The bill is slowly gaining support (the Huffington Post supports it), despite its many shortcomings. Today, I attended a propaganda session under the guise of an “informational meeting”, sponsored by Health Care For All, and held on the UCSF Medical school campus. The meeting featured various Democrats running for various positions in the state Senate and Assembly, all of whom support the bill that will raise taxes , damage the economy(Part I), and disrupt and damage health care delivery (Part II). Among the speakers were Mike Nevin, Leland Yee, Janet Reilly, and Mark Leno (who supports child pornography). Each was their to campaign, but each also provided some “insight” into the proposed bill. [...]

]]> By: Michael Ejercito http://www.californiaconservative.org/economy/sb840-bringing-the-failures-of-canada-to-the-golden-state-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-133026 Michael Ejercito Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:50:45 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/?p=2685#comment-133026 <blockquote>Great question, Michael. In fact, nowhere in either of the summaries does it state that private insurance will be criminalized. However, the full text of the bill states “The bill would prohibit health care service plan contracts or health insurance policies from being issued for services covered by the California Health Insurance System.” Thus, any private insurance policy could not contain any overlap with what it covered by the state.</blockquote> This is very revealing. If the bill's authors had confidence in their system, they would not restrict any private competition.

Great question, Michael. In fact, nowhere in either of the summaries does it state that private insurance will be criminalized. However, the full text of the bill states “The bill would prohibit health care service plan contracts or health insurance policies from being issued for services covered by the California Health Insurance System.” Thus, any private insurance policy could not contain any overlap with what it covered by the state.

This is very revealing. If the bill’s authors had confidence in their system, they would not restrict any private competition.

]]> By: California Conservative » SB840: Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State, Part III http://www.californiaconservative.org/economy/sb840-bringing-the-failures-of-canada-to-the-golden-state-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-131230 California Conservative » SB840: Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State, Part III Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:07:38 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/?p=2685#comment-131230 [...] In my two previos posts about SB840, I discussed the financial repurcussions (part I) as well as the social consequences (part II). This week I am going to take a slight turn, and discuss two alternative plans that I consider more apt, and less troublesome than SB840. [...] [...] In my two previos posts about SB840, I discussed the financial repurcussions (part I) as well as the social consequences (part II). This week I am going to take a slight turn, and discuss two alternative plans that I consider more apt, and less troublesome than SB840. [...]

]]> By: InsureBlog http://www.californiaconservative.org/economy/sb840-bringing-the-failures-of-canada-to-the-golden-state-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-123322 InsureBlog Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:15:09 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/?p=2685#comment-123322 <strong>The Elephant in the Room</strong> There is an elephant in the room and no one wants to acknowledge it. The cry for universal health care is getting stronger. In California (no surprise there) SB840 is (apparently) picking up steam. The Elephant in the Room

There is an elephant in the room and no one wants to acknowledge it. The cry for universal health care is getting stronger. In California (no surprise there) SB840 is (apparently) picking up steam.

]]> By: California Conservative » SB840: Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State Part II http://www.californiaconservative.org/economy/sb840-bringing-the-failures-of-canada-to-the-golden-state-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-122039 California Conservative » SB840: Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State Part II Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:44:53 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/?p=2685#comment-122039 [...] Last week I introduced you to SB840, a bill in the California State Legislature that would bring socialized medicine to California. In addition to making health-care the sole responsibility of the state, the bill would criminalize private insurance companies, preventing them from operating within the state. The focus of last week’s introduction was to explore the inevitable economic repurcussions - both private and public - that would befall the state of California if this bill were to pass. In summary I proposed that the bill would lead to a dramatic increase in taxes at a disproportional rate to the middle and upper class (The Only Republican in San Francisco thought the bill sounded very Marxian, “From each, according to his ability, to each, according to his needs”), and would establish a very powerful disincentive for businesses within the state. This week, I would like to speculate on the potential non-economic consequences of the bill. [...] [...] Last week I introduced you to SB840, a bill in the California State Legislature that would bring socialized medicine to California. In addition to making health-care the sole responsibility of the state, the bill would criminalize private insurance companies, preventing them from operating within the state. The focus of last week’s introduction was to explore the inevitable economic repurcussions - both private and public - that would befall the state of California if this bill were to pass. In summary I proposed that the bill would lead to a dramatic increase in taxes at a disproportional rate to the middle and upper class (The Only Republican in San Francisco thought the bill sounded very Marxian, “From each, according to his ability, to each, according to his needs”), and would establish a very powerful disincentive for businesses within the state. This week, I would like to speculate on the potential non-economic consequences of the bill. [...]

]]> By: California Conservative » Follow-on to “Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State” http://www.californiaconservative.org/economy/sb840-bringing-the-failures-of-canada-to-the-golden-state-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-118866 California Conservative » Follow-on to “Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State” Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:04:35 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/?p=2685#comment-118866 [...] Follow-on to “Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State” » GEN Sada: An Officer & a Gentleman » Wishing & Hoping » Some HardTruths About Immigration » Leveraging McCain » Competition as an Effective Education Reform » Bachmann Watch » Senate Panel Approves Immigration Bill » Hillary Solves Illegal Immigration Crisis » Coloring The Debate: “Brown Is Beautiful” » Now Hiring: Immigrants For Food Service » The Illegal Immigration Reform Scam » Kos & Effect: Liberal Blogging Working To Create A “Buzz Machine” » Illegal Aliens Demand US Citizens’ Rights » Education: On Vouchers » Russian Scientists Hide From U.N. Inspectors » SB840: Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State Part I » Abdul Rahman To Be Released » Liberals Interpret the Scriptures; The Gospel According to Marx » Randy Quaid Sues “Brokeback Mountain” Producers, Says He Was Told Movie was About Heimlich Maneuver List all posts » [...] [...] Follow-on to “Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State” » GEN Sada: An Officer & a Gentleman » Wishing & Hoping » Some HardTruths About Immigration » Leveraging McCain » Competition as an Effective Education Reform » Bachmann Watch » Senate Panel Approves Immigration Bill » Hillary Solves Illegal Immigration Crisis » Coloring The Debate: “Brown Is Beautiful” » Now Hiring: Immigrants For Food Service » The Illegal Immigration Reform Scam » Kos & Effect: Liberal Blogging Working To Create A “Buzz Machine” » Illegal Aliens Demand US Citizens’ Rights » Education: On Vouchers » Russian Scientists Hide From U.N. Inspectors » SB840: Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State Part I » Abdul Rahman To Be Released » Liberals Interpret the Scriptures; The Gospel According to Marx » Randy Quaid Sues “Brokeback Mountain” Producers, Says He Was Told Movie was About Heimlich Maneuver List all posts » [...]

]]> By: Don Surber http://www.californiaconservative.org/economy/sb840-bringing-the-failures-of-canada-to-the-golden-state-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-118560 Don Surber Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:53:36 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/?p=2685#comment-118560 <strong>The Best Of Monday</strong> California Conservative: SB840: Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State Part I Excerpt: The bill, currently in the State Legislature, would create a socialized health care system within the state of California, similar to the failing Can... The Best Of Monday

California Conservative: SB840: Bringing the Failures of Canada to the Golden State Part I
Excerpt: The bill, currently in the State Legislature, would create a socialized health care system within the state of California, similar to the failing Can…

]]> By: reenforce http://www.californiaconservative.org/economy/sb840-bringing-the-failures-of-canada-to-the-golden-state-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-118537 reenforce Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:45:26 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/?p=2685#comment-118537 Pacific Research posted <a target="_blank" href="http://www.pacificresearch.org/pub/sab/health/speech_sally.html">a study</a> on the ills of Single Payer in Canada. It promises to do to health care what the government and unions have done to public education. Pacific Research posted a study on the ills of Single Payer in Canada.

It promises to do to health care what the government and unions have done to public education.

]]> By: The Only Republican in San Francisco http://www.californiaconservative.org/economy/sb840-bringing-the-failures-of-canada-to-the-golden-state-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-118534 The Only Republican in San Francisco Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:06:06 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/?p=2685#comment-118534 <strong>Gentle Cricket on socialized health care for Cali</strong> The Gentle Cricket has posted the first in a series on California state bill SB840, which (by his reading) would bring all Cali health care under government control. I suggest that you read his post, since he is clearly invested Gentle Cricket on socialized health care for Cali

The Gentle Cricket has posted the first in a series on California state bill SB840, which (by his reading) would bring all Cali health care under government control. I suggest that you read his post, since he is clearly invested

]]> By: Michael Ejercito http://www.californiaconservative.org/economy/sb840-bringing-the-failures-of-canada-to-the-golden-state-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-118417 Michael Ejercito Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:34:10 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/?p=2685#comment-118417 <blockquote>However, the full text of the bill states “The bill would prohibit health care service plan contracts or health insurance policies from being issued for services covered by the California Health Insurance System.” Thus, any private insurance policy could not contain any overlap with what it covered by the state.</blockquote> Have any proponents explained why this provision is a good idea? What is wrong with private businesses offering the same services as the government?

However, the full text of the bill states “The bill would prohibit health care service plan contracts or health insurance policies from being issued for services covered by the California Health Insurance System.” Thus, any private insurance policy could not contain any overlap with what it covered by the state.

Have any proponents explained why this provision is a good idea? What is wrong with private businesses offering the same services as the government?

]]> By: thegentlecricket http://www.californiaconservative.org/economy/sb840-bringing-the-failures-of-canada-to-the-golden-state-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-118267 thegentlecricket Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:25:01 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/?p=2685#comment-118267 Great question, Michael. In fact, nowhere in either of the summaries does it state that private insurance will be criminalized. However, the full text of the bill states "The bill would prohibit health care service plan contracts or health insurance policies from being issued for services covered by the California Health Insurance System." Thus, any private insurance policy could not contain any overlap with what it covered by the state. Great question, Michael. In fact, nowhere in either of the summaries does it state that private insurance will be criminalized. However, the full text of the bill states “The bill would prohibit health care service plan contracts or health insurance policies from being issued for services covered by the California Health Insurance System.” Thus, any private insurance policy could not contain any overlap with what it covered by the state.

]]> By: Michael Ejercito http://www.californiaconservative.org/economy/sb840-bringing-the-failures-of-canada-to-the-golden-state-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-118261 Michael Ejercito Mon, 27 Mar 2006 04:59:53 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/?p=2685#comment-118261 Where is the provision criminalizing private health insurance? Where is the provision criminalizing private health insurance?

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