Comments on: 22 Members of California State Senate Haven’t Read the Constitution http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/ Speaking Out For The Silent Majority (TM) Wed, 23 May 2012 10:08:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Is there a generic form of ultram. http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-511871 Is there a generic form of ultram. Sat, 25 Aug 2007 05:29:54 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/#comment-511871 <strong>Is there a generic form of ultram....</strong> Tramadol cyclophoria buy tramadol generic ultram. Is there a generic form of ultram. Generic ultram.... Is there a generic form of ultram….

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]]> By: Todd Nicholson http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-367255 Todd Nicholson Mon, 28 May 2007 02:36:46 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/#comment-367255 With all due respect, you are the one who needs to read the Constitution and study the jurisprudence of how interstate compacts work. * First, you don't need congressional approval to start the process of initiating and entering into a compact. If it needs congressional approval, there's plenty of time to get it. * Second, the federal courts have been very clear that congressional approval is only needed for compacts that infringe on federal powers. But allocating electoral votes is a plenary power for states -- that's why state don't even need to hold elections to allocate their electors. So in this case, it's far more likely than not that no congressional consent will be needed. If you're going to post multiple times on this point, at least do the research. It's not hard to find information -- see the book Every Vote Equal, which is something that can be downloaded via www.nationalpopularvote.com With all due respect, you are the one who needs to read the Constitution and study the jurisprudence of how interstate compacts work.

* First, you don’t need congressional approval to start the process of initiating and entering into a compact. If it needs congressional approval, there’s plenty of time to get it.

* Second, the federal courts have been very clear that congressional approval is only needed for compacts that infringe on federal powers. But allocating electoral votes is a plenary power for states — that’s why state don’t even need to hold elections to allocate their electors. So in this case, it’s far more likely than not that no congressional consent will be needed.

If you’re going to post multiple times on this point, at least do the research. It’s not hard to find information — see the book Every Vote Equal, which is something that can be downloaded via http://www.nationalpopularvote.com

]]> By: DOdemos http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-363125 DOdemos Thu, 24 May 2007 21:02:53 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/#comment-363125 States have absolute control over electoral votes, no matter what. If they want, they can give all their votes to whichever candidate is tallest. So the federal government can say nothing about how they choose to give away their votes, even if it involves a compact. The value of a Californian's vote under the current system is zero. California is a safe blue state, so all votes are taken for granted. The votes of republicans in CA are wasted because they don't help the Republican candidate. With a popular vote, a californian's vote will be worth the same as every other citizen. no votes can be taken for granted, and no votes are wasted. In a 51/49 % split, that 49% still helps the losing candidate in the state. States have absolute control over electoral votes, no matter what. If they want, they can give all their votes to whichever candidate is tallest. So the federal government can say nothing about how they choose to give away their votes, even if it involves a compact.

The value of a Californian’s vote under the current system is zero. California is a safe blue state, so all votes are taken for granted. The votes of republicans in CA are wasted because they don’t help the Republican candidate. With a popular vote, a californian’s vote will be worth the same as every other citizen. no votes can be taken for granted, and no votes are wasted. In a 51/49 % split, that 49% still helps the losing candidate in the state.

]]> By: thegentlecricket http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-363097 thegentlecricket Thu, 24 May 2007 20:27:24 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/#comment-363097 ZZMike, you and I read the constitution the same way. But, DOdemos is right that there are other interstate compacts that do not require congressional consent. However, matters that influence the federal government are not typically exempt. DOdemos raises an interesting concept regarding the balance of powers. The constitution provides states the right to elect their electors in whatever manner they choose, yet I see this as being influential on the Federal government. ZZMike, you and I read the constitution the same way. But, DOdemos is right that there are other interstate compacts that do not require congressional consent. However, matters that influence the federal government are not typically exempt.

DOdemos raises an interesting concept regarding the balance of powers. The constitution provides states the right to elect their electors in whatever manner they choose, yet I see this as being influential on the Federal government.

]]> By: ZZMike http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-363069 ZZMike Thu, 24 May 2007 19:40:55 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/#comment-363069 Perhaps DOdemos can explain the value of a Californian's vote when it counts for nothing. And I stick by Article I Seciton 10: No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, <B>enter into any agreement or compact with another state</B>, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay. On the other hand, if this does go into law, (unlikely - the Governor vetoed it before), it'll save us a lot of time by not going to the voting places. Perhaps DOdemos can explain the value of a Californian’s vote when it counts for nothing.

And I stick by Article I Seciton 10:

No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.

On the other hand, if this does go into law, (unlikely - the Governor vetoed it before), it’ll save us a lot of time by not going to the voting places.

]]> By: Scott http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-363013 Scott Thu, 24 May 2007 17:11:48 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/#comment-363013 Don't worry. The first time a Republican candidate wins the popular vote, the compact will evaporate Don’t worry. The first time a Republican candidate wins the popular vote, the compact will evaporate

]]> By: DOdemos http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-362270 DOdemos Thu, 24 May 2007 01:34:37 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/#comment-362270 It is constitutional. There are hundreds of interstate compacts and your state is a party to several, and as long as the compact doesn't mess with federal authority, congressional consent need not be explicit. states can do whatever they want with their electoral votes, so by agreeing to combine them they are not threatening federal power. not only have those 22 senators read the constitution, but they clearly know more about constitutional law than yourself. look into it. It is constitutional. There are hundreds of interstate compacts and your state is a party to several, and as long as the compact doesn’t mess with federal authority, congressional consent need not be explicit. states can do whatever they want with their electoral votes, so by agreeing to combine them they are not threatening federal power. not only have those 22 senators read the constitution, but they clearly know more about constitutional law than yourself. look into it.

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]]> By: ZZMike http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-362056 ZZMike Wed, 23 May 2007 22:08:42 +0000 http://www.californiaconservative.org/california/22-members-of-california-state-senate-havent-read-the-constitution/#comment-362056 Since when did the Constitution ever matter? (To a Democrat, that is.) Since when did the Constitution ever matter? (To a Democrat, that is.)

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