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		<title>By: T.A Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/2008/obama-vs-obama-vs-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1343087</link>
		<dc:creator>T.A Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your guessing Liem.  Besides that, your making your own assumptions about the relative worth of a leader in comparison to destroying the real time threat posed by his army, and then trying to bury your whole argument in your usual pile of I-hate-Bush-horseshit.

Its one thing to take him out as a target of opportunity in a country already ruled by bloodthirsty fanatics.  Quite another to deliberately invade the sovereignty of an allie for the sole gratification of assassinating him, which would only make room for another.

Word games and wise ass comments are fine in the classroom, not military operations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your guessing Liem.  Besides that, your making your own assumptions about the relative worth of a leader in comparison to destroying the real time threat posed by his army, and then trying to bury your whole argument in your usual pile of I-hate-Bush-horseshit.</p>
<p>Its one thing to take him out as a target of opportunity in a country already ruled by bloodthirsty fanatics.  Quite another to deliberately invade the sovereignty of an allie for the sole gratification of assassinating him, which would only make room for another.</p>
<p>Word games and wise ass comments are fine in the classroom, not military operations.</p>
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		<title>By: Liem</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/2008/obama-vs-obama-vs-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1342452</link>
		<dc:creator>Liem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, TA Gray. 

Osama bin Laden is indeed a pitiful character and you're right to consider him an insignificant. Even if he committed the acts of 9/11, we already know who the real perpetrator is.

The real mastermind behind 9/11 has already been captured and punished for his crimes. His country and its oil are under our control and our economy is reaping the benefits of the victory we have achieved. Thanks to the wisdom of George Bush, Saddam Hussein is gone from this world and his country is bowing peacefully to American might. 

Osama bin Laden isn't worth the effort, even if he's considered a 'leader' of Al Qaeda. Capturing him will mean absolutely nothing. Even if he's considered America's most wanted terrorist. Even if the bounty on his head is $25 million. Even if he claimed responsibility for killing 2,974 American civilians. I will echo your statement, TA Gray, that Osama bin Laden is NOT, I repeat NOT, a primary target. If our president George W. Bush has shown us anything, he has shown us the true uselessness of a leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, TA Gray. </p>
<p>Osama bin Laden is indeed a pitiful character and you&#8217;re right to consider him an insignificant. Even if he committed the acts of 9/11, we already know who the real perpetrator is.</p>
<p>The real mastermind behind 9/11 has already been captured and punished for his crimes. His country and its oil are under our control and our economy is reaping the benefits of the victory we have achieved. Thanks to the wisdom of George Bush, Saddam Hussein is gone from this world and his country is bowing peacefully to American might. </p>
<p>Osama bin Laden isn&#8217;t worth the effort, even if he&#8217;s considered a &#8216;leader&#8217; of Al Qaeda. Capturing him will mean absolutely nothing. Even if he&#8217;s considered America&#8217;s most wanted terrorist. Even if the bounty on his head is $25 million. Even if he claimed responsibility for killing 2,974 American civilians. I will echo your statement, TA Gray, that Osama bin Laden is NOT, I repeat NOT, a primary target. If our president George W. Bush has shown us anything, he has shown us the true uselessness of a leader.</p>
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		<title>By: T.A Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/2008/obama-vs-obama-vs-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1341953</link>
		<dc:creator>T.A Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OBL is NOT, I say again, NOT a prime target.  Killing a leader doesn't do damned thing except kill a leader.

You want to see OBL dead, I got a deer rifle I'll lend you.  You do know how to shoot dont you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OBL is NOT, I say again, NOT a prime target.  Killing a leader doesn&#8217;t do damned thing except kill a leader.</p>
<p>You want to see OBL dead, I got a deer rifle I&#8217;ll lend you.  You do know how to shoot dont you?</p>
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		<title>By: Liem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get it now. And here I was thinking that doing everything necessary actually meant doing everything necessary. I guess we're not angry at Osama bin Laden anymore because we're more scared of other terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get it now. And here I was thinking that doing everything necessary actually meant doing everything necessary. I guess we&#8217;re not angry at Osama bin Laden anymore because we&#8217;re more scared of other terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gross</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/2008/obama-vs-obama-vs-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1339213</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Gross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 22:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liem, your arguments are junk. 

1. Voting to extend existing tax cuts means that he's opposed to letting them lapse, thereby creating a massive tax increase. He was opposed to the tax cuts. He still is. But he's even more opposed to a job-killing tax increase. 
2. McCain voted for final passage of the torture bill. 
3. McCain saying that we'll do anything necessary isn't the same as saying that he'd go into Pakistan. As for your smarta$$ comment about "we should not risk American lives to go after a terrorist", I figured you wouldn't grasp the concept of going into Pakistan to get UBL &#038; in so doing, stirring up the country to the extent that terrorists overtake the government, thereby putting terrorists in charge of a government with nuclear weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liem, your arguments are junk. </p>
<p>1. Voting to extend existing tax cuts means that he&#8217;s opposed to letting them lapse, thereby creating a massive tax increase. He was opposed to the tax cuts. He still is. But he&#8217;s even more opposed to a job-killing tax increase.<br />
2. McCain voted for final passage of the torture bill.<br />
3. McCain saying that we&#8217;ll do anything necessary isn&#8217;t the same as saying that he&#8217;d go into Pakistan. As for your smarta$$ comment about &#8220;we should not risk American lives to go after a terrorist&#8221;, I figured you wouldn&#8217;t grasp the concept of going into Pakistan to get UBL &#038; in so doing, stirring up the country to the extent that terrorists overtake the government, thereby putting terrorists in charge of a government with nuclear weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: Liem</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/2008/obama-vs-obama-vs-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1339125</link>
		<dc:creator>Liem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torture: McCain 11/16/07: "One of the things that kept us going when I was in prison in North Vietnam was that we knew that if the situation were reversed, that we would not be doing to our captors what they were doing to us."  McCain 2/13/08: Voted against the ban on torture.

Tax cuts: McCain 5/26/01: "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle class Americans who most need tax relief." In 2006 McCain votes to extend Bush tax cuts.

GI Bill: 5/26/2008. Sen. John McCain defended his opposition to a Democratic bill that would expand education benefits for veterans, saying it would hurt the military that he hopes to lead. He eventually is absent during Senate voting.  6/28/2008. "I'm happy to tell you that we probably agreed to an increase in educational benefits for our veterans that not only gives them that gives them an increase in their educational benefits, but if they stay in for a certain amount of time than they can transfer those educational benefits to their spouses and or children. That's a very important aspect I think of incentivizing people of staying in the military."

Osama bin Laden: May 2007 “We will do whatever is necessary. We will track him down. We will capture him. We will bring him to justice, and I will follow him to the gates of Hell.” June 2008 “I will look you in the eye and promise you that I will get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.” June 2008 When Larry King asked him whether, as president, he would send in US forces to get bin Laden should he find out where in Pakistan he was hiding, McCain responded: "Larry, I'm not going to go there and here's why, because Pakistan is a sovereign nation. … But I want to assure you I will get Osama bin Laden as president of the United States, and I will bring him to justice no matter what it takes." 

But I understand your point Gary. Going after Osama bin Laden in Pakistan is too dangerous and we should not risk American lives to go after a terrorist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torture: McCain 11/16/07: &#8220;One of the things that kept us going when I was in prison in North Vietnam was that we knew that if the situation were reversed, that we would not be doing to our captors what they were doing to us.&#8221;  McCain 2/13/08: Voted against the ban on torture.</p>
<p>Tax cuts: McCain 5/26/01: &#8220;I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle class Americans who most need tax relief.&#8221; In 2006 McCain votes to extend Bush tax cuts.</p>
<p>GI Bill: 5/26/2008. Sen. John McCain defended his opposition to a Democratic bill that would expand education benefits for veterans, saying it would hurt the military that he hopes to lead. He eventually is absent during Senate voting.  6/28/2008. &#8220;I&#8217;m happy to tell you that we probably agreed to an increase in educational benefits for our veterans that not only gives them that gives them an increase in their educational benefits, but if they stay in for a certain amount of time than they can transfer those educational benefits to their spouses and or children. That&#8217;s a very important aspect I think of incentivizing people of staying in the military.&#8221;</p>
<p>Osama bin Laden: May 2007 “We will do whatever is necessary. We will track him down. We will capture him. We will bring him to justice, and I will follow him to the gates of Hell.” June 2008 “I will look you in the eye and promise you that I will get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.” June 2008 When Larry King asked him whether, as president, he would send in US forces to get bin Laden should he find out where in Pakistan he was hiding, McCain responded: &#8220;Larry, I&#8217;m not going to go there and here&#8217;s why, because Pakistan is a sovereign nation. … But I want to assure you I will get Osama bin Laden as president of the United States, and I will bring him to justice no matter what it takes.&#8221; </p>
<p>But I understand your point Gary. Going after Osama bin Laden in Pakistan is too dangerous and we should not risk American lives to go after a terrorist.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gross</title>
		<link>http://www.californiaconservative.org/2008/obama-vs-obama-vs-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-1339066</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Gross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liem, How did McCain flip-flop on torture? 

As for tax cuts, he wants to make them permanent because letting them lapse would result in a massive tax increase.
I'm not aware of how he's flip-flopped on campaign finance reform or Roe v. Wade, going after UBL in Pakistan or running a respectful campaign. 

Running a respectful campaign &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;doesn't mean&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; not going after your opponent's weaknesses. 

As for going after UBL in Pakistan, Sen. McCain isn't stupid enough to do that &#038; hand a nuclear Pakiston over to the Taliban.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liem, How did McCain flip-flop on torture? </p>
<p>As for tax cuts, he wants to make them permanent because letting them lapse would result in a massive tax increase.<br />
I&#8217;m not aware of how he&#8217;s flip-flopped on campaign finance reform or Roe v. Wade, going after UBL in Pakistan or running a respectful campaign. </p>
<p>Running a respectful campaign <b><i>doesn&#8217;t mean</i></b> not going after your opponent&#8217;s weaknesses. </p>
<p>As for going after UBL in Pakistan, Sen. McCain isn&#8217;t stupid enough to do that &#038; hand a nuclear Pakiston over to the Taliban.</p>
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		<title>By: Liem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because this website is redundant, why did McCain flip flop on

- Torture
- Tax cuts for the very wealthy
- Campaign finance reform
- Roe v. Wade
- 21st century GI Bill
- Going after Osama bin Laden in Pakistan
- Calling for a respectful campaign

?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because this website is redundant, why did McCain flip flop on</p>
<p>- Torture<br />
- Tax cuts for the very wealthy<br />
- Campaign finance reform<br />
- Roe v. Wade<br />
- 21st century GI Bill<br />
- Going after Osama bin Laden in Pakistan<br />
- Calling for a respectful campaign</p>
<p>?</p>
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